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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2015 5:11 pm 
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I have taken up breeding some Welsummers in recent times (standard red partridge) but I have noticed their colours can vary a bit in their intensity and spread. So what are the correct tone and shade of the colours meant to be?

In particular, are the females meant to show some clear chestnut red in their wing feathers (without the partridge peppering)? The standard seems to suggest so. But some birds have a more uniform partridge all over the back AND entire wings, then the chestnut breast and the golden striped hackle as two other distinct sections. So which is more correct? Some seem to bleed the chestnut red into the wings and body and some don't.

The standards call for golden brown head, golden brown or copper neck hackle with black striping, rich chestnut red breast, reddish brown back and wing bow with partridge peppering, AND chestnut brown wing bar (no mention of peppering here).

Does anyone have an informed idea about this or able to post photos as examples? It seems there is some room for variance in overall tone or shade of the bird, but the bit about the chestnut brown wing bar (no peppering?) needs to be clarified.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2015 10:17 pm 
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It's hard to know without comparing them next to each other at a show.

I'm personally suspicious that at least some Welsummers have had a bit of Brown Leghorn slipped into their breeding somewhere.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2015 11:44 pm 
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andrewschooks wrote:
It's hard to know without comparing them next to each other at a show.

I'm personally suspicious that at least some Welsummers have had a bit of Brown Leghorn slipped into their breeding somewhere.

Would Brown Leghorn give them lighter brighter toning with no chestnut in the shoulder or wing, or darker deeper tone overall? I would have thought lighter and brighter, and excluding the chestnut. My thoughts are the deeper darker chestnut tone to the whole bird is a purer Welsummer colour characteristic, including clean chestnut wing bar with no peppering as the standard suggests.

Talking about suspicions, some red partridge Welsummers appear to have strong type resemblance to Dorking.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 23, 2015 12:35 am 
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[quote="andrewschooks"]It's hard to know without comparing them next to each other at a show.

Like my problems with Barnevelders, unfortunately you will rarely see a line up of Wellsummers at a show to be able to compare or get competative feedback.


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It would be great if you could submit some photos to show the differences as I too am confused. My hens seem to be a darker colour (more red) than most pics that I've seen online and I haven't seen any at the local show to compare to. Are the Brown Leghorns a lighter colour than the Welsummers? Maybe they have been crossed??


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PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2018 10:47 pm 
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Some photos of my 2016 hatched birds. The pullet showing had some red in her wings as a pullet shown but has molted out with little red and more even peppering.


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PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2018 10:50 pm 
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A better photo of the 2016 hatched cockerel.


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This trio showed more red colouring in the wings of the pullets. This is what the standard calls for rather than the even peppering all over. Roosters should be a rusty red colour in the neck hackles and saddle.


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PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2018 11:02 pm 
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The egg colour is getting back to the dark colour I'm after with no imported blood.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2018 12:32 am 
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This is one of my 2017 pullets now she has matured and started laying nice brown eggs.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2018 12:37 am 
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This is my best type hen, good shape, size and colour although I'd like to see a deeper chestnut breast.


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The same cock bird shown earlier from my 2016 hatch. Still growing his new tail. His breast is now more black than it was.


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