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PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 9:28 pm 
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I hope to post some pictures in the next couple of days of some buff leghorns....

What i want to know is how dark of colour can you go before it's not classed as buff.....

most buff birds you see are very light in colour so i want to know how dark you can go and still be buff??


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 9:41 am 
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Looking forward to those photos. :wink:


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 9:52 am 
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I would have thought it is breed specific.

In leghorns, I would think quite dark, as there isnt a 'gold' leghorn, its buff or red isnt it?

That doesnt help one bit, but meh, its a start.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 12:58 pm 
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Whatever shade you prefer, really. I think as long as you can prevent black in their plumage and have a nice even shade of buff (whether light or dark) it can still be classed as such. Although in Leghorns, is their a self red? As in a red with no black?

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 4:06 pm 
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Only self red are bantam Wyandottes and they are rare. Just bred through selection. Leghorns have black tailed reds

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 10:00 pm 
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Hey Guys

Thanks for the comments the pictures are still to come. Have lost battery to camera so waiting for new one to arrive ....

then i'll post lots of pic's so you can all pick them to pieces ...

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 8:10 pm 
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The basic rule of thumb for a buff fowl regardless of breed is eveness and good colour to the skin not white undercolour

The problem when they get to pale is they can get white developing in their flights and mealy spots on their shoulders ect. Get them too dark and they wil often get dark red on their shoulders specially in males


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 10:50 pm 
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Hi Cochin man

Yes the red on the shoulder is the thing i am wondering about.

Are they still classed as a buff or not or how much red on the shoulder is to much?

Where do you draw the line and say thats not buff any more.
where some people really push for the darker almost red shoulder colour. How much is to much ...

I'll get some pic's up as soon as i can which will make this a lot easier.....

Like if you entered a bird in a show as a buff and it a dark almost red shoulders would it get looked over or would it be judged as a buff bird.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 8:20 am 
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Hi Sqeak,

I think they look for eveness in colour, first, but then it will even get pickier when the look for the down to be buff not white, from what i have read about buff, you need to pair matings that compliment each other, that is darker cockrel to light hen light cockrel to darker hen, i have not had an opportunity to breed and buffs yet, Daza on here has bred 100's of buff rocks and started with darker coloured males, maybe PM him about his method,his birds now are coming about
the colour i would try to achieve.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 3:33 pm 
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Hi Squeak, I think a breeder that has developed buff in a breed is the best person to talk to.
I was able to buy what i needed. Then just hatched a couple of hundred this season to see how it goes.

Chick down is the thing to look at, red gold down will grow into a much darker bird. So if you leg band the redder chicks it makes it easyer when they have grown up. I have a lot of chicks that have spot on their heads(somebody else will be able to help with this) but this doesn't change feather colour as far as I know.
Christain is right when you mix your darker birds with the lighter one's when breeding. But the big thing is you have to hatch numbers. Hatching 10 or 20 will not be enough to get the colour you are after.

Christian and myself have talked about diluting red with a dominate white breed, but with my stock this isn't necessary.
I look for solid depth of colour to the skin. And no different colour feathers that stand out. As soon as the birds moult they will change colour so keep an eye on the ones you wish to keep for breeding.

The best thing about buff is people love them, so it's easy to get rid of all the access stock you have to breed.

If you get a chance post some pic's and you will find people are glade to give lot's of advise. :thumbs:


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 7:23 pm 
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AS a breeder of buff fowls for over 40 years I look for depth of undercolour as it si the best gauge to judging correct colour. Also red in shoulders is very hard to get rid of once you have it. best not to entertain it in the first place. White feathers are also hard to get rid of in a buff bird.

Also dont mate a very dark bird with a very pale bird as putting opposties together will only produce birds that are two toned something you deffinatly dont want.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 8:56 pm 
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Hi All

Thanks for comments so far...pictures as promised ..

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Ok first two pictures are of one of the lighter cockerals. i don't mind him so far but he has a lot of growing to do yet as they are only babies.

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He is a cull on colour only. he is also the only real dark cockerel out of what i have hatched.

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Ok I hope these help some of the lighter and darker cockerals.
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This one is of one of my pullets .
All comments welcome good or bad this is the first year breeding with these birds and they have a lot of growing to do so i'm kinda looking forward to seeing what they grow into ...

Daza as for the black dot on the back of the head i had this too. I think i read some where you should put them aside as they don't bred true i can't remember were i read it and haven't been able to find the articlemaybe cochin man can correct me on this ....
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 10:30 pm 
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Has that dark cockerel have a white tail?

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 10:34 pm 
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The cull cockerel has a white tail and i would class him as red not buff.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 10:44 pm 
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Squeak, would you regard your other cockerals as red too?

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