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PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 12:51 pm 
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It made for a very good read, thankyou for being so frank..

Any chance of seeing a photo of your fowl...


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 12:09 pm 
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I don’t think using a can of soft drink beside him is going to do much to compare his size, perhaps a 44-gallon drum give you all some idea.

The hens you see in the background are large Orpingtons crossed colour blacks with buffs they not good quality, I keep these because they lay eggs same time as the Malay’s do, they make good brooders.They should also give you all an idea of his size, those hens are standards size.

He is about 9 to 10 months old learning to crow properly.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 12:20 pm 
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I am embarrassed to say he makes my birds look like half bantam, good work chickenpox, hes a beauty for size :thumbs:

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 12:32 pm 
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This one will be interesting to see how he will fill out . I give the credit to the old timers for keeping this breed going.
This their result, all I am doing is supporting their work.

Shame thou he is likely to be short lived, I am hopping he reaches 5 or 6 years before he dies.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2011 8:23 pm 
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Andy Vardy wrote:
Wow great photo nil!
I like the poop bag for inside :thumbs: His comb looks a bit unusual, do you have some more photos of his head?. He looks a bit different to the birds we breed as Malay game in Australia, but nice looking bird all the same. :)


the poop bag was a huge rescue for me..he wore it for about 2 months and now he just refuses to..when I put it on, he walks backwards colliding into anything..so I felt sorry for him and took it off..I don't know if other Malays are like this, but when it's around 5pm he starts biting people..So, we all have to be careful of our feet or arms..I put him back in his cage at around 6pm..

Since i have had him, the comb has grown really huge..now it covers one part of his head...

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2011 8:44 pm 
very normal to get agro around 5pm, this is the time to go to roost and a rooster starts to drive his hens to perch...you are his hens.


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ruff wrote:
very normal to get agro around 5pm, this is the time to go to roost and a rooster starts to drive his hens to perch...you are his hens.


I had no idea..thanks for clearing it up..

For the last month, I have realized that his feathers keep dropping..Any idea why? He seems to feel tired easily as well. He walks around and then sits down. Before, he used to be so active nagging everyone in the house..


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2011 10:01 pm 
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For the last month, I have realized that his feathers keep dropping..Any idea why? He seems to feel tired easily as well. He walks around and then sits down. Before, he used to be so active nagging everyone in the house..


Chickens have a major moult once every year where they lose their feathers and grow news ones, its perfectly normal. They often don't like being held when moulting (I believe their feathers to be more sensitive at this time).

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2011 10:30 pm 
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Andy Vardy wrote:
nil wrote:
For the last month, I have realized that his feathers keep dropping..Any idea why? He seems to feel tired easily as well. He walks around and then sits down. Before, he used to be so active nagging everyone in the house..


Chickens have a major moult once every year where they lose their feathers and grow news ones, its perfectly normal. They often don't like being held when moulting (I believe their feathers to be more sensitive at this time).


Thank you, I'm relieved.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 8:37 am 
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Very interesting coming to this thread 3 & 1/2 yrs after it started and to sit and read it from the start to present day in one sitting.
I got my first Malays in 1968, not pure as I soon realised from previous research but all that was available at the time.
I had seen a pencil sketch as an 8 yo in an old book that was published in the 1800's, I was hooked and they were the only fowls I wanted.
I knew of the legendary lines of Una Shaw in the Hunter Valley that were lost upon her death, also those of Mr Savage of Hornsby.
Mr Savage sent a pair of Wheaten Malays to the Crystal Palace show in England in 1927 and won a bronze medal.At that time it was held that "our colonial cousins", meaning we Aussies had far better Malays than were available in England at the time.I knew Mr Savage's son as an older man and held in my hand that bronze medal, a photo of the pair hang on the wall in the back hall along with the medal.Every time I went there as a child and teenager I was transfixed, Jack always promised the photo and medal but sadly he moved and has since died and both are who knows where.I did however get a painting of the photo done by his niece and a poloroid pic of the original.
I went to SA in the mid 70's and brought back 7 fowls from the yard of Allen Coombes and Gordon Mangelsdorf.
I liked the Mangelsdorf fowls and spent an entire day with Gordon.On that occasion I saw one of the largest cocks I have ever seen, a white fowl that was something else.The ckl I purchased was his grandson, small himself but I was after the genetics.
From the start I have had my share of disasters and many since, some died fighting, others never laid, one died setting in the heat.All avoidable mishaps but hindsight is a wonderful thing.In my first year I got 7 eggs down and from these 5 chicks.This was my true beginning with these 5 chicks and thier mother, that was it.
Today there are about 30 malays here including a programme to remake the bantams.
It is always a struggle to keep the faith with things that can go wrong.Two Xmas's ago we had a heat wave and I lost 4 brood cocks the next day.The solution with only one cock left was to colony mate, I reared 50 chicks to almost maturity.
Then we had a regular visit from a wedgetailed Eagle who took his toll, so the fowls were penned only to have a fox climb the 6 ft fence and kill all but 2 ckls and 2 plts. So we begin again.
I say keep the faith but my enthusiasm and love of the breed has never waned, now I have introduced myself and given you some background I will do a follow up post and add my opinion to the discussion thus far.
I have judged fowls since 1967 and on only one occasion had the opportunity to handle and adjudicate on Malays, on that occasion a complete disappointment. I "No Awarded" every fowl, they were crossbred brown Leghorn Malay bought as a setting of eggs from an unscrupulous vendor.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 8:48 am 
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I have posted photos of my young Malay in the Breeds and Breedings subforum.

I would really like some more Malay afficionados to have a look at them & comment.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 9:12 am 
great story oaklands. don't suppose you have any photos from over the years?


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 9:32 am 
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One of my earliest shows was at a Sydney Royal in the old pavilion at the Moore Park Grounds, pen 222 and I got a 2nd with a Wheaten ckl.
For a long time I was the only one showing and used to bench up to 16 fowls to make a display and show of the breed in as many colours as I had available.
On one occasion I had an elderly Judge ask the stweard to introduce him to the owner.It was one of the best compliments one could recieve when he shook my hand and said "I just wanted to meet the guy who is keeping the breed alive, I have not seen a lineup of Malays like that in 50 yrs, not even at a Royal Show".
I haven't graced a show bench in over 15 yrs due to working every week-end but the fire is still there and will again show when I think I have something to take a judges eye.
In 1988 I won a medal for Best Malay Bantam when the Centenary Medals were awarded to many breeds of livestock and poultry to commemorate Australia's Bi -Centenary.I judged a lot that year so showing was not possible but i got a 2nd medal from a greatful show society who relised if I judged I could not compete for the medals.
Over those years I have won 3 Best Hard Feather awards with a Malay and 1 Best in Show in the days when an overall Best was awarded not as is today seperate H/F & S/F major awards.
I have had Malays reach 16 pound and stand 33 inches tall, a standard show pen was to small and where available they had to be shown in goose pens.
The old test of a Malay being tall enough was to eat a grain of corn off the corner of the kitchen table without jumping.
Sadly the breed has declined I think due to unknowing judges and breeders, but it is wonderful to see them making a comeback both in numbers and in supporters of the breed.
I don't like the outcrossing programmes some have embarked on, sure the cross brings in something but also destroys other true breed traits like bone and substance, spur set or shoulders etc.
One of the worst I have seen to ruin a line completely is to out cross to Australians, it changes the complete outline, stance and wing set and to an educated eye is always evident.
Of all breeds of fowls I have been associated with over more than 50 yrs I have found the Malay to be one of the most intelligent and docile, the original fowls from SA travelled for a week on the return home and laid in thier large carry crate every day.
They do eat a lot to rear them properly and in the first 3 or 4 days of a cold winter snap but if given feed adlib for those few days settle dow and eat no more than other fowls.
In the growing and developement stages they have to get out and exercise to build bone ( timber ) and muscle to carry the great size and weight the breed requires. If you don't and confine them then leg problems soon follow.
The hens are long lived , 10 yrs and still laying is not uncommon but you must back your judgement and use a ckl in his first year as by 4 or 5 they are often,if not always dead, if you get a cock past 5 yrs you can count yourself as lucky as having won the lottery.To this end I always keep spare males (my insurance) and if a fowl dies from any cause I can replace him with his younger brother in a breeding pen.
As a breed they don't just moult out, it is a progressive process and surprisingly it takes a couple of months and the hens continue to lay during the moult.
I breed early or late as you see fit but in the Autumn, keep the chicks inside and growing all winter and then set them free in the first warm days of spring.This way I maximise the growing period and time available.
I don't breed from pullets but hens once they are laying a good sized egg, first step to getting size up is a good big healthy chicken from a good sized egg and then rear it well.
I trebled the size of my original foundation in just 4 generations and inbred at the same time often culling 95% of the hatch.Each following season I needed to cull less until at one time I had trouble finding one that was not up to par.
The beauty of breeding malays and colour being of far less importance than in other breeds is you are able to concentrate on TYPE first and foremost as well as size and bone.
It is a true old adage a 'good game fowl is never a bad colour' and this is certainly true of a Malay.The real breed enthusiast who knows the breed will never be heard to say he is a lovely silver duckwing or clear pile, thier comments will be on his imposing size, bone, reach,backline, head, brow, comb or other distinguishing breed characteristic.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 9:35 am 
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Sadly not many if any pics of past years.
Grew up poor and rearing up to 200 Malays in a season kept me that way, could not afford a camera. :rofl:
Looking back it was not important at the time anyway, I was more engrossed in the fowls and what I could achieve with them.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 9:56 am 
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Very interesting read thanks oaklands,
I have heard a lot about the Mangelsdorf bloodline, I saw some in a yard more recently, but they tended to have orange eyes and slighter and smaller build today :(. How did you find eye colour from your experiences in the old birds? If you ever stumble on some old photos (or new ones for that matter) I would love to see them. Even a photo of the painting of a photo you mentioned would be well received :D :thumbs:

Just on a house keeping note, I edited out a small section of text out as we have a policy of not discussing cockfighting on our forum.

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