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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 5:29 pm 
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For the sake of this discussion, let's assume that we have some pretty rare Red Sussex (with some problems).

I'd like to know how to increase the deep red in them as they are sometimes a bit weak in colour. For example, could they be crossed with say Silver Sussex to inject some depth or colour or would that introduce another set of problems? I ask because, I'd add black that way to increase the strength of red. Please comment.

Now, Red Sussex are supposed to have black (or dark) hackles and tail and wing tips. Some of these birds are slightly weak in that area as well. Could we mate to say, a Buff Sussex to obtain strong Columbian markings and then breed back to the Reds or would that introduce problems that we wish we didn't have? Comments please.

This will be a long term project, and we're committed to improving size and colour of these birds. I'd appreciate any worthwhile comments and poultry genetics (especially colour) is a weak point for me.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 5:58 pm 
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mmmmmmmm i am interstate without my bible (the genetics of chicken colours lol)

i would suspect you are entering into more problems with the silver sussex cross, but the buff sussex to increase the chance of columbian makring makes sense to me.

hopefully someone more knowledgeable will come along to assist you.

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to increase the depth of red you want something like hte Mh gene, which i believe youcouold get from RIR............try rosecomb ones to limit the comb issues. type could still be an issue. but breeding it back will get the type back.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 6:03 pm 
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Cal, the yellow legs would not be a problem?

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the white legs should be dominent however you will get some that will throw yellow legs in the following generations you will just need to cull heavy on it.
do you know what E allie the red sussex is based on as the RIR is eWh.

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If you go the RIR and want the white sussex legs.You will need to breed a Sussex roo over a RIR hen.If you do it the over way you will get all yellow legs.RIR roo's with yellow legs are very dominant.

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Really?
mine all came out with white from the light sussex crossed RIR rooster , I must have something sus going on here than.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 8:48 pm 
can't you get a very dark speckled sussex from somewhere, even if it had faults in other areas?

some ideals are very hard to achieve in 100% of birds. often the perfect bird, especially in something as complicated as the speckled sussex (regarding black areas) only comes in a small percentage of birds. when breeding for the ideal show bird one often needs to breed with not so perfect birds...ie excessive black in one of the birds.


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Canna Kid wrote:
Really?
mine all came out with white from the light sussex crossed RIR rooster , I must have something sus going on here than.

That is interesting,must have some thing to do with different lines.I have found strong leg colour come's from the rooster's.In 12 chicks all had there dad's leg colour thank god.

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when breeding for the ideal show bird one often needs to breed with not so perfect birds...ie excessive black in one of the birds.

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That works with RIR's too.

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White is dominant to yellow in leg colour.


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Would like a look at what you have produced to date before commenting. Amongst the issues with using speckled sussex is that there are very few speckled that achieve good Sussex size and type.

caladenia wrote:
which i believe youcouold get from RIR............try rosecomb ones to limit the comb issues.


Not sure why you have suggested a rosecomb, Cala?

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Thanks for all the comments so far. Would I not be adding more problems with speckling and ticking and also white wing feathers if I start messing around with Speckled Sussex?

I read somewhere about keeping a black Barnevelder rooster to keep the depth of colour needed for quality Barnies. Does this not apply for Red Sussex (or red birds in general)? Is there a problem in Rhode Islands in keeping depth of colour?

I haven't been close up to an RIR for a few years and my memory is poor. How do they stack up for size against a Sussex?

Cheers all,

Linz :)

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My suggestion is Buff Sussex X RIR.

Size is most important and there are Buff Sussex that are huge and equal in size and type to good Lights. Also use the largest RIR you can find.

The recessive yellow legs will keep popping up down the track so when the type and colour is right some testing matings can be done to eliminate it from your line.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 9:15 am 
i have seen huge speckled sussex. white wings are a fault of the mottling gene, possibly no more difficult to remove than yellow legs or any other recessive gene. and the odd white feather can always be plucked out. i would not go for an inferior speckled sussex though. better to cross out to a different breed if you can only find a different set of problems in your own breed.

any red orpingtons around?


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DenisL wrote:
Would like a look at what you have produced to date before commenting. Amongst the issues with using speckled sussex is that there are very few speckled that achieve good Sussex size and type.

caladenia wrote:
which i believe youcouold get from RIR............try rosecomb ones to limit the comb issues.


Not sure why you have suggested a rosecomb, Cala?



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