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PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 10:21 pm 
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What do we really have?

Anyone who thinks they are holding Campine, I would advise them to have a quick squizz at these other breeds.

http://www.feathersite.com/Poultry/CGA/ ... aamse.html

http://www.feathersite.com/Poultry/CGD/ ... youmi.html

http://www.feathersite.com/Poultry/CGA/ ... aekel.html

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 7:14 am 
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Hi Kazlee,

Thise three are pretty similar, but Campines are henny feathered hf, so males should look identical to female in sexual dressing feathers, that is tail, sickles and hackle. Those three all have male and female differences in the afore mentioned sickle hackles and tail, you will find that there is probably differencces in type required as well. But the similarities probably out weigh the differences if you know what i am saying.

Also genetics of colour is very simialr, just the absence of henny feathered genes really allow you to notice the differene in the other three.

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The Chaamse Hoenders(Holland), Brakel(Belgium) are related to the Campine but are heavier larger birds, neither are henny feathered and both are Brown eb based birds, notice the black tails.
Campines are Birchen(European allele) based, patterned tail.
Fayoumi has a totally different genotype, it is based on the Birchen (African allele) and only looks similar to the others.
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blackdotte can i just sneak a question in....are there two separate ER (Birchen) alleles? One African and one European?
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Yes, 2 Birchen, main difference from a breeders piont of view is different hatch down
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Is there any differences in adult plumage? are there any photos anywhere of the two types of birchen chicks?

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Hey everyone,
I personally have found the henny feathering to be a dominate gene.(luckily)
But In my Campine, not so much as now as in the early days, have had traits of all these birds and more.
In some of my crossbreds,these days, I am getting chicks identical to the Fayoumi chicks.
I remember being very disheartened years ago, as I was having a terrible time trying to get any sort of 'standard' Campie, I kept getting throwbacks of completely diferent species of birds but had no idea of what I had.
It is impossible to mingle pure strains af anything, (where my trouble laied), every time I would get the something right , something else would end up wrong.
I personally am happy to find what was causing me so much trouble, I didn't have one strain of bird, but three of four.
After a lot of culling and sorting, I think I have found the secret.

Heres Hoping someone other than me can be happy with all the diferent strains of 'Brakel',
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Nick, I think the African Birchen has only been found in the Fayoumi which also has all the genes required for autosomal pencilling. There are photos of Fayoumi chicks on Feathersite.
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Hmm,
Is Birchen a breed of chook or a colour of chook?

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blackdotte wrote:
The Chaamse Hoenders(Holland), Brakel(Belgium) are related to the Campine but are heavier larger birds, neither are henny feathered and both are Brown eb based birds, notice the black tails.
Campines are Birchen(European allele) based, patterned tail.
Fayoumi has a totally different genotype, it is based on the Birchen (African allele) and only looks similar to the others.
David


I do not think these breeds are e^b based. e^b males would be black tailed silvers.
So all these should be birchen based.


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Hmm,
Is Birchen a breed of chook or a colour of chook?

Birchen is both an allele of the 'e' series, ER ; and a hobby name for the colour associated with a combination of Birchen & Silver,S/S ER/ER, the gold equivalent s+/s+ ER/ER has the hobby name Brown-Red, and the genetic name Gold Birchen
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lol, well thankyou david, I think that clears it up nicely. :biggrin:

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