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PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 8:56 am 
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i have 7 isa brown hens.is there another name for this breed? do they go broody?. i have a rooster whose parentage was a white bantom rooster (feathered feet, curly comb) father and he's mother was a cross between a rhode island red and light sussex? her colour was a bit like the isa browns. my rooster is larger then the hens, he is white bodied and tail,yellowish neck and just before his tail,he's back is deep redish brown and he has a curly comb. my question is if i get chickens from him and the hens will they be sex linked? or just a variety of colours . he's brother looked like a light sussex and he's sisters are all brown.the hens were battery hens will they still go broody,because last year they were with a silky rooster and none went broody. if they don't what hen should i get to breed with,thanks mycoola.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 11:34 am 
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They most likely won't go broody, or might not sit for the full time if they do. They are bred for egg laying so tend not to sit.
You could incubate your eggs, or you could buy a hen that is likely to sit on eggs. The main problem I see is integrating the new hen (2 would be better for company) in with the old flock. Also, you will need to put your broody chook in a seperate area while she sits on the eggs.
If you only want more layers, then I think it would be better to just buy some more layers.
I can't help you with the sex linkage, but you may end up with all roosters, and have to dispose of them.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 12:18 pm 
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I suspect you've probably got too many variables in there for any sex-linkage to be reliable. ISA Browns aren't a purebreed so while they are able to be sexed on hatching, their offspring are more likely to revert to one of the different ancestors in their makeup.

As said above, they're bred to NOT go broody. You'll get the occasional exception but based on your experiences from last season, it doesn't seem you've got one of them. (Note: you don't need a rooster around for hens to go broody).

Why do you want to hatch chicks? To continue your own backyard line? For children's entertainment? The reason we ask is to work out ways around your dilemma, not to challenge you :) - you may need to hand-raise chicks, for eg, or commit to getting in a batch of adults of another breed, or getting in a couple of chooks of a purebreed more likely to go broody. (This comes with its own risk, as ISA Browns are notoriously unfriendly to other chook breeds).


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 8:49 am 
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Thanks for the reply's, my brother inlaw said i could take one of his cross breed batam hens because they do go broody. if its better to get two i will ask him for two.Another question he used to have a rooster with he's hens (about a dozen hens) and they used to lay well. He got complaints from neibours and the council made him kill the rooster. Since then for four months now none of the hens have layed eggs? they are all different looking variety of batams,he recons its because they were used to having a rooster with them.Eight of the hens are less then two years old so it shouldn't be from there age. Is there a way to bring them back into laying because he's thinking of just killing them all!.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 10:10 am 
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for the last 3 months my hens haven't been laying well, and they were before that. They are with roosters. It's winter. Hens traditionally don't lay much in winter. Yours will because they are Isa's and bred to lay continuously.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 11:11 am 
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Firstly isa Browns so not go broody.

All hens will stop llaying whae the day light get less. day light triggers laying in the bird. a hen need 16hours of light to make an egg. after 12 months of laying hens stop. isa browns than should be discarded as they lay thebulk of their eggs in the first season and then you replaced them with fresh pullets.
If you breed with them (not a good idea.). You will end up with a greatly inferior bird that what you started with. isa browns are a termonal breed that is the end of the line.

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Isa hatchery in France spends $millions to develop a super layer. For $18.00 to $22.00 per bird it is cheraper to buy a new one each year and take advantage of their tecnology.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 11:27 am 
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I read that silkie hens are really good brooders.I wont to raise some chicks for the kids to enjoy and to get young fresh layers from my rooster,ive heard that isa browns only lay good for maybe three years and then go downhill quickly while other chooks don't lay as many eggs but will lay for a longer period. I used to have cross breed batams and one was a cross between a silkie and another type (brown with feathered feet) she was always going broody but i didn't have a rooster. I did at one time buy some one week old batam chicks and at night i removed the eggs she was sitting on and put the chicks, the next day she was mothering them as her own.But unfortuniately just as they matured i lost the lot to a fox! I caught the fox and sorted him OUT. I could get a silky hen from my mum but i worried because of there small size that the isa browns would hurt her!.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 2:15 pm 
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You would be better to breed from the bantams for your kids for pets, than from the isa's. While I don't agree with the use of the word terminal, I understand the sense in what Auctioneers is saying. You would still get reasonably good layers though, if you bred your Isa's to an Australorp or Rhode Island red rooster, but using a cross bred rooster of unknown origin isn't wise. You would be better to borrow a clucky, and set her in her own seperate cage, on some bought or donated eggs, from a nice quiet breed for the kids. Pekins, wyandotte or Sussex bantams would make nice pets. Plenty of people will be advertising fertile eggs on the noticeboard over the next few months, so it is simply a matter of doing your homework and deciding what you want. If you do go for a pure breed, you have more chance or rehoming your cockerels.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 3:02 pm 
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Thanks for the reply jan,you gave me some good options. I will probably get two bamtom hens from the brother-inlaw,either put fertile eggs under them or try my rooster with them only even thou he's cross bred. I will if possible try not to hatch eggs from the isa hens.I found it interesting that he's mother was like a light coloured rhode island red,all he's sisters look like the mum. he's brother looks exactly like a sussex rooster. I have seen another rooster in mittagong that had the same colouring as mine and one on tv in a movie! Are Peking rooster's a little bit bigger than silkies and have feathered feet, if yes that he's father. I probably keep my eye open for the(pure breed) fertile eggs when the time is right,thanks mycoola`.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 11:34 pm 
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Hi chicory.
your feed back has made me realise that I need to explain my statement. Yuo get use to talking to farmers and forget BYP oftern do not understand the terminology as they may noy have came accross it before thats all.

So here goes.

Terminal is a farming word for a breed or cross that is the end result of a breeding program. for example a lamb that had been bred from a first cross ewe ( border lester ram over merino ewe 70% of our meat flock) then joined to a meat sire is classed as a treminal animal just bred fro meat. you never breed on with it.
It terminates the the line.

isa browns are a sever way cross and they are the end of the breeding program as are the meat chicks you buy. The cobb are the breeding stock and the chick they breed are the termantiation of the line.
May be some of the correct terminology is a bit confrunting. but thats life and I am sorry if it offends.
I work in the poultry world as a stud breeder (and poultry auctioneer) of 1 of the last flocks of genitic pure white leghorns left in Australia. i am hoping to offer these birds to the public soon as pure whites and White x Australorps terminal layers. (old fashion type).


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:39 am 
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I can see the reasoning in breeding these terminal stock (profit), i bought these hens at one year old doe's that mean they were allready past there best laying!.I had them one year now,will they continue to lay eggs free ranged but not as often. What is there life expectancy,or should they be culled at say three if they wont lay anymore?. looking at the photos i would say the brother-inlaw's chooks are buff and spotted sussex,one old r i r and one old austraorp. the sussex are almost two years old.What is there laying expectancy?.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 10:11 am 
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the average life of a fowl is 6years. production life is different. all figuers are aproxamates for the example.
pure breds will lay well for 2 or 3 years. then drom down to an aegg every 4 to 5 days then nil at 6 years old.
Remember a hen has only so many egg in her.

isa brown tye birds lay 350 egg per year in a farm situation. the second year if they live that long as they have a poor sivervival rate they will lay at a rate of 30% of the first year.
remembering you pure bred lays 150 to190 egg per year againest 350 a big differance.

With feed costing so much and Isa brown type birds needing a very high protine feed to lay and thrive on 16% + protine thats is why it is realy un viable having them for more than 1 season.

I use to get 10,000 ex free range hens per year for free and after keeping them for 3 months to moult and then lay I lost 1000s of birds and $1000s .
Thats is why I now breed white leghorn x austrolorp commical layers and sell point of lay Isa brown birds.

i hope this info helps.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 2:11 pm 
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Interesting the difference between pure breds and isa browns. The leghorns x austrolorp crosses are the a terminal breed to and only good for a year?. Sounds like you really need a new batch of hens even if purebred every two years or your just feeding them to look at.I suppose it depends on need for maximum production!. I breed parrots and finchs and if i culled all birds that didn't breed well i would have hardly any birds because you try for years to get some pairs to breed! It looks like i might just try to keep sussex in the future exspecially now i know there is several colours for variety and they seem to be a good allrounder for the backyard. I suppose there is plenty of different opinions as to which are the best breeds for at home, with personal taste ex.


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