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PostPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 7:31 am 
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Would any 'impartial' source give me (and maybe some others who also don't know) a short precis on what are the differences. i googled images for both and yep they somehow look different but be buggered if i can specifically recognise those differences, and under what breeds / names do they enter shows as? Thanks again, mark

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 10:08 am 
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mate, it depends who you talk to and how they classify them. If you look back thru my pictures you will find oxford and carlisle from england. I posted what i had found as impartially as i could whether i personally liked them or not. Ruff as also posted carlisles from britain


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 11:19 am 
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Hi, it's funny you ask that question now, I was asking a friend that exact question just yesterday. I'm a soft feather person, myself, but he has bred oxfords for decades.

He told me the carlisle wing-set is slightly higher, they are bigger boned & heavier in build. He said the oxfords are finer & stand taller. Hope that helps,

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 11:32 am 
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Thanks Petie, exactly what i wanted. I wonder if they show them in different classes?

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 3:13 pm 
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Well, apparently, they don't, which my friend gets very worked up about. He's an "old school oxford" breeder & gets most upset that they are not judged separately (from what he says - remember, I don't have them),

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 12:27 pm 
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Neither of these photos do the birds justice.
Both given to me by different friends
Oxford at Top, Exhibition at bottom

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 1:46 pm 
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thanks LON, which one would be closer to the (Red) Jungle Fowl.
I saw a 'beautiful' dark-legged partridge bred OEG, would this have been oxford or exhibition or ?
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Mark, most OEG that you would see at poultry shows in the southern states (Tas, SA, Vic and southern NSW) are birds like the last bird pictured. I won't say what to call them as it will probably bring on a string of outraged comments!

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 12:25 pm 
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Thanks DenisL. Am I right in saying (apart from shank colour in these two photos) the differences are comb, size of neck, head carriage, more chest on Exhibition, wing carriage, different slope of back, and tail carriage, tail feather shape?

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 1:05 pm 
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I am but a humble soft -feather person! If you start asking about differences between carlisle and Oxford you are opening up a huge can or worms, that will continue to wriggle forever! Their have been heaps of posts on the Carlisle/oxford debate on BYP (and elsewhere) Mark. Have a search.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 1:13 pm 
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markjohnconley wrote:
Thanks DenisL. Am I right in saying (apart from shank colour in these two photos) the differences are comb, size of neck, head carriage, more chest on Exhibition, wing carriage, different slope of back, and tail carriage, tail feather shape?


There is no difference in the combs between those two birds.

I think you may find that the neck is the same but the Oxford has more feather.

The tail carriage and feather shape should be the same,large, up and spread, main feathers and quills large and strong.

Have a look at the Atkinson Plates (that both Oxford and Show people use as ideals)


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 4:53 pm 
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as i said, depends who you ask. Theres plenty in the UK that argue just as hard as here over whats 'oxford'. Carlisles are a not functional show breed. Oxford is a functional bird. Thats the simple definitions on a subject with very little in definitive answers. Now whether function alone dictates your view or you believe in a functional bird of a type of a certain era or any other of the million views on the subject, well, thats a whole other argument.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 6:25 pm 
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Bottom bird standard says tail large up and spread where is it on this bird neck a fair length with neck hackles covering shoulders not on this bird wings large strong and powerful not on this bird and I have not even handled this bird.I bet it feels like a brick.I do not know what standard this fowl comes under because it does not fit the one I have .Could maybe be a bad australian pit game.cheers.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 7:32 pm 
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Is there an Oxford OEG club in Australia? Nothing on google

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 7:53 pm 
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Forget the last post. found oxford oeg assoc of aust

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