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PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2011 7:53 pm 
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I was recently at a show where we had a great day. This is something that puzzled me.

I don't breed buff laced dottes, but there were a couple there and I was able to chat to the owner. I found it a little confusing because his views were different to what I'd learned about blue, splash etc. Anyway, here is one of the buff laced on display on the day. It seems that these are white lacing, not bl/bl. The owner told me that if he breeds two 'buff laced' together he gets what he calls 'splash'. His view was that splash was not bl/bl, but what you get when you put two buff laced together. I wonder if the term 'splash' is used for a variety of things.

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Here's another pullet that was shown as blue laced. This really puzzled me because it's nothing like what I would call an exhibition quality blue laced. I think I said the wrong thing because I was soon told that this was how it is meant to be. It was carded as 'blue laced'. Mine were not.

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This is one of the three blue laced that I put in the show. These were named as 'silver' on the cards. :hmmm: I was very puzzled as I would call this 'blue laced gold' or 'blue laced'. I think there are a variety of naming conventions and we weren't speaking the same language. I entered the birds on the schedule as blue laced, the the judge obviously thought differently as did the other exhibitor. I don't have silver in my flock. All my wyandottes are gold based and these have a diluted lace. How could these be silver?

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PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2011 8:28 pm 
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This is what I've always called 'splash laced'. It results when you are breeding blues and you get a bl/bl bird - two doses of the diluter.

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I suspect that what exhibitors up here are calling 'splash' looks a bit like it when they cross two buff laced birds. The ground colour is probably very pale and the white lacing should be there also. In the case of my bird here, you can still see the blue in the hackles and I suspect that might not be present in a bird out of two buff laced wyandottes. It would still be close.

The two genotypes may produce a similar phenotype and that's causing some confusion. If not, then I'm just very confused. :lol:

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PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2011 12:00 am 
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Hi Chicken! I'm sure Raf would like to comment on this.
Can you put it in Breeds & Breeding as well.I think yours looks the blue definitely.

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PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2011 6:36 am 
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Thanks Bronze. Raf gave me his opinion.


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Buff laced is Dominant white in one dose (I/i). Indeed, I am told when you breed Buff to buff, alot of the offspring are I/I and they are washed out gold, and some may refer to these as splash, but let us refer to them as 'Splash White". The two you showed below, are not fantastically clear examples, as only the second looks like a "buff laced". I would think the first may be "Splash Laced Gold (Blue Bred)" i.e bl/bl.

IMHO - Buff Laced - Possibly Blue Splashed and White genes together

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Buff Laced - Definately "Buff laced", you can tell by how dark the ground colour is.
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This is almost certainly a Splash Laced Gold (Blue Bred)
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This is defiantely a Blue Laced Gold. Blue is a bit dark but it is a BLG clearly.

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Note though - sometimes the category "Blue Laced" is a Blue Chook all over with dark black/blue edging, you know that picture David keeps putting up. The same thing is in the National Wyandotte schedule. 'Blue Laced' and 'Blue Laced Gold' are 2 seperate varieties at the Nationals. Its clearly not a silver :shock: .

Definately a 'Splash Laced Gold (Blue Bred)'
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Because the gold is washed out, it looks like a Splash White. Some judges cant tell the difference between a Splash Laced and a Buff Laced and this one would just confuse them, totally.

The two genotypes DO produce a similar phenotype and that is certainly causing some confusion on the judges behalf.


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PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2011 7:14 am 
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Thanks Raf. So it's partly just confusion between the Splash White and the Splash blue.

I'm not sure why people want to call blue laced gold silver. Actually, having blue laced gold, and blue laced as two different colour varieties is probably confusing. Surely there must have been a clearer way of naming these.

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Some judges cant tell the difference between a Splash Laced and a Buff Laced and this one would just confuse them, totally.

True. I have had judges call these buff laced. When I say no, they are splash laced and come from a blue pen, they look quite puzzled and humour me from then on like I'm a little bit simple. :lol: That doesn't worry me as I usually play the complete dummy anyway. People will tell you more about the birds then. :wink:

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PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2011 9:57 am 
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Interesting reading! I'm confused by wyandotte lacing names every time I hear them, it seems it's not just me. I think I'll stick to nice simple duckwing pattern birds :) .

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PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2011 10:42 am 
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Hi Cathy,

I think the problem does lie in the names being used, common/hobby names are confusing as certian terms have more than one meaning to different breeds and different breeders. If judges cannot differentiate different colour patterns and clubs also put birds in wrong classes what hope do we have of exhibitors getting it right.

The problem i believe is training of judges, stewards and officials. Also the whole colour schedule for shows, i believe in an ideal world we would judge all birds in classes for breed then say x wyandotte is x colour. Standards need to be clear, but also so do colours.

Training of judges rather than clubs just nominating judges would also help with the knowledge pool.

In the back Genetics of Chicken Colours are the recipes for what colour patterns are and how they are made, i would like to see before i die show cards that reflect this type recipe formula for colours and birds to be judged by standards with a points system break down as per the written standard, i believe this would lead to more quality birds and give novices ideas where their birds could improve.

But i am just dreaming i think. :(

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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2011 7:08 am 
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I notice that the Wyandotte Colour Guide described my type of birds as 'blue laced gold'.

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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2011 8:34 am 
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I would have identified your colour as blue too, its at the darker end of the scale, but still clearly blue! The more shows I attended the more confusing it gets sometimes, the names put to colours tend to be varied to say the least. I've even had a couple of people refer to straight blue, the lighter colour, as blue lacing on an Australorp!? :? Would be nice, then I have a pen of lovley laced Asutralorps here! :lol: There is even someone on farmstock who has advertised as such. Lovley bird Cathy, really something to look at! :thumbs:

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Chicken 07, I think sometimes it's probably best to stick to the specialist Wyandotte shows.

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