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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2012 2:02 pm 
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Denis, as ruff said the lavender will dilute the buff also so we probably couldn't call this a Lavender, Buff Sussex. I have seen these before (It makes sense as it only takes two generations to make). Think Belgians and the colour porcelain. Do we call those a Lavender Millefleur? My suggestion would be to come up with a new name to describe the colour, maybe you could add Mh(??) to intesify the Buff colour for a true Buff Coronation. Champagne seems fine, Apricot describes the colour reasonably well. It is only a name and at this stage is a non standard colour so call it what you will, who knows if it will catch.

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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2012 8:13 pm 
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hi fatty,

I am unsure if lav dilutes mahoghany?? it would be interesting to find out, i think in the case of lavender speckled sussex you would call them porcelian? this is the problem with hobby names altogether, they dont notate the genetic phenotype of the bird.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2012 9:27 pm 
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Just to touch on the genetics side of this..

Ive only got these two hens.. What Roo should i use to create more?

Whats the easiest way to just re create this colour? :mrgreen:


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2012 11:49 pm 
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What you want (in the absence of a lavender gold columbian rooster) is a lavender columbian split for gold (eg. a coronation that has been crossed to a buff sussex at some stage): if you cross such a roo to your two hens, then you will end up with 50/50 gold and silver offspring (of both sexes).

If you do not have such a bird, crossing a coronation to these hens, then using the sons (which will be lavender columbian split for gold) only from this cross (the hens will be pure silver - hence pure coronation and will not help you in your project) to cross back to these two hens will give you this result.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 9:57 pm 
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Thanks.. I do have a corro roo.. No idea if split.. Will eventually set a few and see what we come up with..


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 7:15 pm 
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There is someone with these that is calling them columbian Isabella sussex and thinks that is the correct genetic name, whats everyones thoughts now on the correct genetic name as I dont think we need another hoby name


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 7:29 pm 
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How does the Isabella come Into it ?

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 9:01 pm 
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It sounds like they are using the 'Isabel' name that's used to describe the silkie. viewtopic.php?f=10&t=8005334

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 12:06 am 
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"Isabel" is used in Europe and the US to describe buff diluted by Lavender.
There are Isabel Partridge Brahma, Isabel Cochins and Isabel Orpingtons.
They also have Lavender and Porcelain in those breeds.
Lavender is also Self Blue in the US.
I get confused with Isabel Porcelain.
Porcelain is supposed to be lavender & lav diluted buff - mottled in most breeds.
So that is saying it twice :hmmm:
Now there are Pearl Grey Brahma which I think are Lavender Laced. (Beautiful too !)

ETA http://www.backyardchickens.com/t/83428 ... id/6058582
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 6:57 pm 
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Bronze wrote:
Isabella Welsummer


Well I just went out and told my 3 welsummer girls, Arabella, Esmeralda and Matilda they have a cousin in the US called Isabella!. They didn't seem too impressed!

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 9:09 pm 
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Bronze wrote:
"Isabel" is used in Europe and the US to describe buff diluted by Lavender.
There are Isabel Partridge Brahma, Isabel Cochins and Isabel Orpingtons.

Thanks, so is that a made up name or genetic term?


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 10:44 pm 
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Sigi who writes the poultry books , sometimes with our own Blackdotte (Genetics of Chicken Colours) calls buff diluted by lavender "Isabel".
Isabel Partridge i.e. Lavender diluted buff on Wildtype E+ is a colour now in the Standards in some countries.
There is also "Lemon" which has Db and another diluter (Ig?) and Citroen which is another pale lemon colour.
Lemon and Citroen are genetically different to Isabel.
I believe the name is given to a colour when it is submitted to the Standards Committee and approved.
Isabel is the approved name in some countries where the colour is now in their Standards.
It's not easy is it :aaargh:

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