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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 9:16 am 
rolluyard i think only luck would help recreate the ko shamo. you would have to have massive amouts of game genetics in your yard (yard i mean farm), a knowledge of genetics, an eye for what is useful, lots of money and lots of time, a stable family life, a healthy active costiution, travel ability (to go and see what they look like) and so on. the genetics in australia is so limited.

indian game bantam genetics would be the first to start with and then making it stand up right would be a good start.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 10:24 am 
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This boy is not a Shamo but would be a good starting point for a project.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 12:04 pm 
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Hi Pepa,

whats in this fellas make up, very profuse tail for malayx?

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 12:19 pm 
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Would someone like to compile a breed profile?

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 2:08 pm 
pepa's bird looks like a lot of thai game in him. those short legs, long tail and sloping back.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 2:37 pm 
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He is very nice bird with a lot of potentials, I'm scared to guess what's in him.
He sort of on the border line of being a Thai or Chu-Shamo, more Thai than anything.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 2:45 pm 
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I have a bird in my yard i will put a pic of him up soon as i can. Should be a bit of eye candy for this topic!
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 2:57 pm 
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rollyard wrote:
How would one go about recreating the typical Japanese "ko shamo" bantams in Australia for example if not already here do you think?
Ko-Shamo never been here and still not coming unless someone manages their own importation, All three Shamo breeds were fronted for importation in the latest syndicate, they were knocked back because the breeds are known as game-fowl for the sake of their syndicate reputation, so I assume if others applied it would be same reply.

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Those wrinkly faced pit game may be of value? Upright indian/asil types with the "lobster tail" could be too?
The good quality Australian Pits carry more Asil genetics than any of our bantam Indians, they also carry black Sumatra genetics, I never used Oz Pits, I honestly don't know if they be any good for the making Ko's... Perhaps bantam Malay's with a Shamo x good quality Indian..Always breed from pullets laying their first clutch preferably off season to stunt chicks.

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Introducing Langshan would be working against the grain?
I agree with you 100%, black legs, feathers on shanks, narrow face would create a lot of work.. Ko-Shamo’s head is totally Asil head, in reality Ko-Shamo belongs in the Asil genotype but their posture and history happens to put them in the Shamo group. I go along with that respecting the Japanese people decision.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 3:37 pm 
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Chickenpox The asian game breeds were not knocked back because they were game fowl. The asian game fowl society over there pulled support for the importation making it to hard to source some of the breeds they have.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 4:09 pm 
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I take your word for it "Rooster" I must of got it wrong.

:-( Now please tell me how this bird can be handy in making shamo ,first of all is he still fertile ?.

That bantam is nice.

Sorry I get it now,that is him as bantam and the head is a close up shot.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 4:18 pm 
god roosta, that is one ugly chook...... i used to nurse old men who looked like that. :rofl:


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 4:46 pm 
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thank god you said chook ruff i miss red it at first :rofl:
Unfortunatly chicken pox i was trying to get the yamato imported all was good until the asian game fowl society had a sudden and strange change of heart it was very disapointing. Anyway back to topic he bred around 60 chicks this year so still very fertile. The pic with the large fowl is just for comparison so you get a rough idea of size and the head is another shot i took. this style of bird could be used in a breeding program for the ko shamo it has reasonable stance strong head etc. not much good using this for anything other than ko.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 8:03 pm 
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Chickenpox & Ruff, thank you for explanations/thoughts.

Roosta, I quite like the head on your white malay bantam cockerel. A few more wrinkles & I would love it :-P

What a shame some ko shamo (& others) not being imported.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 10:19 pm 
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Why would you start using exhibition birds in a bid to recreate a real gamefowl, we have all sorts of Orientals here now that could be used to make up a ko-shamo.
I have handled a son of that bird Pepa has put up, very nice gamefowl indeed.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 10:48 pm 
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There were shamos in tasmania about two years ago they were very impressive

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