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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 9:16 am 
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1. Can anyone tell me what we here in Australia call the colour that the Germans call "WILD FARBIG"?

2. And what are the colour genetics that bring this about?

3. Does anyone have chick hatch down pics of this plumage colour?

This colour once dominated my flock. In the selection for type over colour it is no longer evident. Now I'm happier with type I'd like to get the original colour back...Wildfarbig.


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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 9:43 am 
it seems to be wheaten to me..."weizenfarbig"

here is an example I found in the book

' handbuch der zwerghuhnrassen, die zwerghuhnrassen der welt ' by verlag wolters Bottrop, 1998

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wild farbig plt by onlyruff, on Flickr

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wild farbig 2 sml by onlyruff, on Flickr


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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 10:02 am 
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Hi Mike/Wildman,
Being a Malay man I expect it is a colour you had in your flock in early days.
As Ruff has pointed out is it a wheaten based colour you are searching for??
A link to a site you have seen this colour might help to clarify things.
I see on one site I googled that in german 'farbig' means british.
So I'm wondering also if it is a colour the british OEG breeders call 'fig pudding" ?
To follow this line of thought is it a wheaten based colour with dark/black tips to feathers??
If so I have a couple of old line wheaten Malay females that show a dark wheaten colour with dark feather tips.
Could these be what you seek??
ATM I have nothing to sell/spare but at least you know the colour is still around.
I hope that helps or have I confused the issue further?
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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 10:20 am 
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Farbig is a German word for colour. Not Dutch.

So wild must be the wild colour.

Matt


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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 11:45 am 
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Yes, it means 'wild type'.

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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 12:29 pm 
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Hallo und Willkomman!

Sorry just got back from Mark Hoppe german waterfowl page.

Rouenenren Wildfarbig = rouen wild colour

Rouenenren Blau Wildfarbig= rouen in blue wild colour

Auf Wiedersehen :rofl:

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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 1:04 pm 
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Yes, it is refered to as wild colour in English. I noticed it referred to as wildfarbig on http://kippenjungle.nl/kruising.html. (I thought this was a Dutch site) I just wondered what we refer to it as here. I don't think the genetics are nessecarily wild type either, as from memory I don't think my wildfarbig chicks were typically stiped (just don't remember exactly what they looked like). And I've never had any typical wheatens come from the line.

Here's a typical wildfarbig hen

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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 1:15 pm 
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Also called an "Incomplete Quail"


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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 1:18 pm 
perhaps it means 'wild type" which is now considered e+ where the chickens the chickens have well defined brown and black stripings. wheatens are usually yellow but may have fine back striping like someone dragged a fork dipped in black ink down their backs.

if you can ignore the lavenders here the e+ wildtype colour is similar to these but these chickens are split for wheaten (don't ask about anymore here as that is a complicated story on inheritance of other genes). a really good coloured wild type chicken has very strong demarcations on the colours....these look similar to the down pattern eb but you don't tend to get eb down pattern in game fowl just in soft feather and unfortunately they call that partridge too.

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thaix chicks 4 sml by onlyruff, on Flickr

what colour chickens were you getting Wildman in your early days and what colour are the chickens now (colour at hatch). the dutch bantam pullet you are showing here is what one would expect from the e+ wild type markings and is called partridge in the game circles.


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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 1:31 pm 
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the above are also wild type e+

not sure if this works but here is a link to my photbucket account:

http://s134.photobucket.com/user/ruffEnuff_photos/library/down%20colour


down colour is very important in colour ID


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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 1:40 pm 
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If they are e+ ruff there appears to be something else going on. Can't remember the hatch colour from the former fowls. I didn't really care then. But I don't think they were typical chipmonk striped.


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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 1:50 pm 
have a look through that link Wildman and see if there is any colour chicken that catches your eye. to put it here just copy the img, click img up the top here and then paste what you copied and it should come up. I will PM you a link to FB of a great book that will help you understand this. BYP don't like me putting FB links up and moderate them.


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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 2:09 pm 
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Have you seen the pic of the mature hen I've posted further up the thread?

Playing with the Chicken calculator it appeared to be a melanotic influence on regular partridge, e+

I have scanned all pics I could find throughout the site the trouble is I've breed so much in the intervening years I just don't remember.

A bunch of these little blokes turned up earlier this year.

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but I don't think they're the same. They've feathered up with a scattering of way too much red feather.


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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 4:27 pm 
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Thanks Col,

Yes, from what I've seen on the net (in a painting) what the Brits call"Fig Pudding" appears to be the colour. So far Wildfarbig, Incomplete Quail, and Fig Pudding all seem to be different names for the same colour.

Is it on a wheaten base though?

Thanks for the offer. I'd like to try to coax it back out of my line with selective breeding, if possible.

Mike


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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 7:08 pm 
I have seen that colour chicken down. possibly melanised wheaten. I can't remember what they turned into. possibly birds with some lacing or wheatens with more unorganized black like a buff Columbian or even indian game colour.


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