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PostPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 11:28 pm 
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This is the hen I would like help with please.
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These are some of the different feathers.
The feather shaft changes from black to white in some feathers.
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She has some feathers that look mottled. The mainly white feather could denote pigment disturbance
maybe caused by Dom White ? (Sigi's book Page 91).
Even though Silkies usually have Recessive White ,I have other offspring from the same roo that could
indicate Dominant White.I am an amateur at Genetics
so would appreciate some help.
I am sure the father was this guy.
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I have read all the threads I can find on this, and some of it fits Exchequer rather than Mottled.
She is obviously not show quality, but her mother is better type.
Any help appreciated.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 1:06 am 
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The mother of the above hen is the one at the front (no beard).
Her daughter shows much more black and has the beard.

The photo below is also the mother, and the white girl on the end is her half sister - same father.
She was pale yellow or white with one spot on her head when hatched.
The black feathers are plain black with no white.
Could that indicate leaking Dom White ?
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The darker daughter is in the background

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 9:47 am 
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Isn't your "mottle" from a line of blues though. There looks to be some splashes there.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 11:01 am 
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Ahhh, just checking her pedigree is correct. Her mother has no beard and neither does the rooster you think is her father?? Something sneaky has gone on then because at least one parent has to have a beard to pass it onto progeny.

Might she just be a very dark splash? That is homozygous blue?


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 12:36 pm 
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I think the father looks to be blue. He has that reddish colour around his neck that you see in blues sometimes and the daughter has red leakage as well, unless that's a bit of red dirt on her feather! :laughing The mother could well be blue or splash underneath that white giving you splash offspring. Both recessive and dominant white will leak. Whatever they are they are very pretty looking! :)

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 1:38 pm 
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If the bird's mottled or exchequer, it would have to come from a mottle line.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 12:43 am 
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http://www.the-coop.org/forums/ubbthrea ... 510&page=1

There are 4 of these old threads at the Coop, and a lot fits. A lot I don't understand either!
I know Mottle is said to be recessive, but a lot of experts believe it can occur randomly down a line
in Exchequer.Kazjaps has some interesting facts about them only occurring on silver.
I will put those links up later.
The mother was acquired in late 2009 as a chick and she had 2 red pyle brothers.
Hence my wondering about Dom White.
The bearded hen and the white with a few splashes hatched in March 2010.
Andrew the roo is bearded - hard to tell in this old photo.
Rita, the roo is black with a silver collar ( no red), but the bearded hen does look
to carry Autosomal red. She has that one small brown spot.
I started the lavenders mid 2010, so have not bred with them till a random incubator test hatch recently.
I now have one split to lavender :oops:
The reason I am asking is I believe some of Ruffs birds are in their ancestry, and she had all
these genes in her birds at that time - both pekins and others.
Ayam, I know you have beautiful mottles, do you have Exchequer?
Also I sold all my splashes when I started with the lavs,
so my main question is
"Do Splashes have feathers like these 4 in the photo". Thanks heaps.

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http://www.the-coop.org/forums/ubbthrea ... 1&page=all

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 10:46 am 
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In answer to the question I would have to say yes, they do look like that. I have been told many times and read that mottling is not recessive, but other times that it is, I agree that is one very confusing gene! Must be the combination of computer monitor and picture because from this end that male looks to have gold leaking not silver, thanks for clearing that up! :)

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 5:33 pm 
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Thanks Rita, That's great! Much appeciated. :th

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After looking in my growing pen this afternoon I see I have and example of what you might have been wondering. I have a recessive white bird, that at first glance, looks to be splash, but when you study her you realise she's just that "mottled" look. I will try and get a couple of pictures tomorrow so you can see what mine are like, Australorps not silkies, but may help you?

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 12:40 am 
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I'd be very happy with that :-)
Meanwhile I'll change the title so I don't confuse anybody doing a search.
There were some strange chicks in that test hatch,
so I need to follow up some backgrounds.
I would like to know why these splashes are so large and black.
The black increases as they age.

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maybe you have been the first in australia to crack the dalmation silkie.

interesting that the black "splashes" get bigger as the bird ages, its like mottling, only in reverse (ie in mottling hte white becomes more prominent as bird ages).

will find my silkie book and see what it says about dalmation silkies.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 12:56 am 
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This is the 5 month old pullet.
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Sigi's book showing the feathers like these had me wondering.
Caladenia I have been reading BYCs resident Dominant White breeder
& his latest theories :laughing
I think I have ADD (not to mention trouble sleeping) .
Love to hear anything you find out.

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Will endeavour to get some piccies this afternoon for you Bronze! :) I have had people say the exact same thing when the see these leaky Australorps....they look like Dalmatians, they are very pretty in appearance.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 8:27 pm 
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Okay here is the one I am talking about, hopefully you will be able to see the difference in the colours. She's a recessive white and she's leaking blue.


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This one is a splash.

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And an adult splash girl.

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Last two photos are terrible so I hope you can see the difference, they just would not stand still!

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