Backyard Poultry Forum • View topic - breeding chart needed "quail"

Backyard Poultry Forum

Chickens, waterfowl & all poultry - home of exhibition & backyard poultry in Australia & New Zealand
Login with a social network:
It is currently Wed Oct 01, 2014 4:52 am

All times are UTC + 10 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 5 posts ] 
Author Message
PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 7:09 am 
Offline
Dapper Duck
Dapper Duck
User avatar

Joined: Mon Sep 09, 2013 12:59 am
Posts: 41
Location: Ohio, North America
in house line?
we have 3 hens that are best of the hatch
and 1 roo as well parent stock=P1 LINE
we breed these and now have 3 sibling lines from each hen.
each hen is 280 grams+ at 42 days as it the best single male.

what is my best option with such a limited gene pool now?

all siblings of same roo.
line a Has 3 hens over 280 gr,
line b has 1 hen over 280 gr
line c has 5 hens and 1 roo over 280 gr,

should i breed back sons and daughters to P1 line?
or take brother and sisters, hatch out and breed back to grandparents?

_________________
serve God,feed the fowl,sow the seed. wake up and do it all again.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 7:38 am 
Offline
Site Administrator
Site Administrator
User avatar

Joined: Sun May 11, 2008 8:44 am
Posts: 21925
Location: Morayfield, SEQ
Hi CFT.

I don't breed quail but the principles of breeding any birds will be the same. I think with such few to begin with, you will want to maximum the genetic diversity in the future.

There have been quite a few discussions on here regarding the number of male birds required to maintain a line. There's one interesting topic here: viewtopic.php?f=10&t=7984785&start=0

I think you will need to keep more than one male or you may have a problem with inbreeding depression over time. Any close breeding is a juggle between concentrating as many desirable features as possible in the offspring, while not concentrating the undesirable.

I'm not sure of the figures, but I think you will need to keep males from all your lines and use some sort of rotation of those males over the females of the lot.

How long does a quail live and breed successfully?

Rick Kemp summarises some breeding strategies in Pure Breed Poultry Raising (1985) p. 48. His points may be of interest.

Line breeding
Mating very closely related birds such as a rooster to his pullets (daughters or granddaughters) or a hen to her cockerels (sons or grandsons). The aim of linebreeding is to concentrate as many desirable features as possible in the resulting offspring. Coupled with a heavy culling program (removing unwanted types), the level of genetic variation is diminished with the hopeful outcome being highly desirable offspring of uniform type and quality. Linebred flocks have been maintained without any outcross for between 20 and 30 years. However, because line breeding involves mating closely related fowls, undesirable features such as low hatchability, poor fertility, low vigour, low disease resistance and decrease in size can result. (This is described as inbreeding depression.)

_________________
image
Backyard Poultry Forum
Lawnton Poultry Club
Feather Clubs Association of Qld


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 8:26 am 
Offline
Dapper Duck
Dapper Duck
User avatar

Joined: Mon Sep 09, 2013 12:59 am
Posts: 41
Location: Ohio, North America
Chicken07 wrote:
How long does a quail live and breed successfully?


after 2 years most hens are done.
so i am told in this line. well it's just best to up grade to new breeders.
i was thinking the same thing about this as well.
i am bound by the cull method in this line. rules laid down just to own this line so to speak.
all breeders must be 280 grams by 42 days
my line are splits 50% ,25 wild brown and 25% white recessive.
must lay 14 gram + eggs fertile and uniform shape.
this set of rules limited the keepers drastically low from original 70 eggs.
only 4 birds made the cut. most of the rest did catch up but took 8 weeks
to hit 280 grams. is there a gene that regulates a eating disorder like obesity?
lol only the pig's made the cut. i think i will just hold off until spring and set an other lot of splits
from original jumbo line that was a 5 way crossed lot or mixed gene pools then back crossed to a
recessive white line to make the line of split i now have.

thanks for the links to read on.

_________________
serve God,feed the fowl,sow the seed. wake up and do it all again.


Last edited by CatFishTony on Thu Sep 26, 2013 8:32 am, edited 1 time in total.

Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 8:30 am 
Offline
Gallant Game
Gallant Game

Joined: Sun Mar 09, 2008 1:00 am
Posts: 554
CFT,

You may find the following post on Avoiding inbreeding depression with small numbers of quail? to be of interest.

Cheers,
htul


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 1:10 pm 
Offline
Dapper Duck
Dapper Duck
User avatar

Joined: Mon Sep 09, 2013 12:59 am
Posts: 41
Location: Ohio, North America
Htul wrote:
CFT,

You may find the following post on Avoiding inbreeding depression with small numbers of quail? to be of interest.

Cheers,
htul

very good info thank you.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1211168/pdf/371.pdf

i will shut down the breeder for now until spring. just grow out what we now have
this site rules very good members here. so glad i found this data base.

_________________
serve God,feed the fowl,sow the seed. wake up and do it all again.


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 5 posts ] 

All times are UTC + 10 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 3 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group
©2004-2014 Backyardpoultry.com. Content rights reserved
freestone