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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 3:00 pm 
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Sorry to be away for so long. Meanwhile things have progressed for those interested in Sicilian Buttercups & Hornets.

Take the time to have a look. this is written in same fonts as current standard so downlaod and paste into your copy.



https://www.facebook.com/ButtercupsHornetsGroup


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 4:21 pm 
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G/day F---- Good to see you are still hanging in there ;-)


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:02 pm 
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By a thread Martin. May 24 fox killed everything in my coop after chewing a hole large enough in an aluminium security door. Inside my house I had a four week old cockerel with green legs. It was already crowing!. I take it maybe a pleiotropic effect of having buttercup attributes? From the pen that was destroyed, the one Gold Hamburg hen that escaped laid 6 eggs before the shock kicked in and she stopped altogether. From those six eggs, five pullets hatched. That's such an unbelievable fluke. This is an unusual hen in that it has markings of a buttercup, not a pencilled hamburg. I presume it maybe a residual cross leftover of days gone by from someone who thought it was of one breed not the other.
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So from this group I can recover everything.

The one variety that perplexes me that will probably you, is Sicilianna Uncorno (Sicilian Unicorn) which so far eludes me. I'll eck away at that one in my spare time.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:12 pm 
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I'm very glad the dice rolled in your favour with that hatch and hopefully you can build the flock back up again.

I think I remember seeing a Sicilian Buttercup at the Canberra Show in 2012. Would that have been yours?

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:16 pm 
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There are no Sicilian buttercups on Australia 25th Match 1914

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article ... +buttercup


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Link to imminent arrival September 1914

SICILIAN BUTTERCUPS

I have some Chickens if j ou would like to rec

them

ii) Birds arrive next week. They are coming from a specialist in Buttercups Settings -ill cost )0u 1 guinea

Write for particulars catalogue, and copy R. I Red Standaid free

J F DALRYV1PIE R I Red SpecialMt,

loloma Stud loultry arm


http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article ... +buttercup



Link to first importation J F Dalrymple

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article ... +buttercup

SICILIAN BUTTERCUPS

My First Pen has arrived They are fit to win In any Show in the world and are bred from Tested Layers I shall have a large consignment shortly

B It I am only going to charge 21« for Settings

I am importing only the best but my prices will defy competition Inspection invited My time is

yours
J F Dalrymple (Saturday 19 September 1914 The Sydney Morning Herald)

The second person who imported them in the same paper tho I can't locate now
VALUABLE FOWLS.Cairns Post (Qld. : 1909 - 1954) Friday 2 July 1915 p 4 Article... VALUABLE FOWLS. I Mrs. Waclaw, Figtree Creek, has j received by s.s. Wodonga a pen of buttercup bnttercnp fowls, from R. Palmer. I U.S.A. The order for these birds j was given in January last. 1 ... 36 words http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article ... erm=Waclaw

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article ... erm=Waclaw

NEW POULTRY BREED.

The "Sicilian Buttercup."

A new breed of . fowl hos been specially imported from America by Mrs. Louise Waclaw; of Fig Tree ('reek. These, the "Sicilian Butter- cups," until,three years ago, -were an almost unknown variety ot poul- try. They are notf being bred in three countries ; in fact, they are forging to thc front rank with such remarkable strides that they are càusing comment in the poultry press everywhere, ' and are a most popular variety of poultry with their owners, for those who try out the Buttercups become their fore- most friends. Even in England they have taken hold already.

.'Buttercup" type is always to1 be associated with the requirements ol Mediterranean fowls. Their original name was Sicilius Patera Opulenta! (Cup ol Riches), and at a» early date were much used in religious sacrifices. They were brought to America by^Captain C. Davis,- whe nave them an"'American name and called , them Sicilian Buttercups uniting, their name in their islant home with ' thc popular rcscrablano rj{, the - comb to the widely knowi

llower.

Thoy-have many sterling qualities They ; are very hardy, grow rapidly mature early, ¿rid frequently- lay at four months old. They lay a large, crearay-white, ,e%g, with a rich, gold- en yolk. They are even called "All [the Year Egg Machines," and they

j -'ay well all through their second I and third seasons. The weight of

j the male is 71b., and of the female

i from 3} to 4 Jib., being llb. heavier

than Leghorns.

Buttercups at seven weeks old, if properly fed, are as plump as part- ridges. Their round yellow bodies resemble ' balls of golden butter. Their flesh is exceptionally fine, and owing to the smallness of their bones, yield a large quantity of

meat.

As they are wonderful layers, there is no doubt that Buttercups will be- come a popular back-yard breed in Australia, especially Where space is

ürnited.

Th» "American Poultry Journal" mentions several of the leading American poultry farmers who have changed from White Leghorns to Buttercups, as the latter have been [.roved to be the better laying

strain.

Tile color of the bird is very diffi- cult to describe, but that of the Golden Fencilled Hamburg seems to describe the color of the Buttercups ci to-day. so far as the ground col-

or in both sexes is concerned.

Xo couih has yet been produced in poultry breeding that compares to

that of the Buttercup for beauty ? and uniqueness, and this one out- j standing characteristic will alone, if | nothing else, help to make them exceedingly popular. j

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:18 pm 
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J F Dalrymple one of the two first people to import Sicilians to Australia 1914 was found shot dead 1937 beside the Princes Highway at Kogarah (Sydney Morning Herald 14 June 1937 age 68) He was from a well known family and in Real Estate.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article ... archTerm=J

MR. J. F. DALRYMPLE.

Found Shot at Kogarah. Sydney Morning Herald June 14 1937

The body of John Frederick Dalrymple, 68, of Prince's Highway, Kogarah, was found on a vacant allotment near Harrow-road, Kogarah, yesterday morning. There was a shotgun wound in the chest, and a single-barrel shot- gun with a discharged cartridge in the breech was near the body.

Mr. Dalrymple, who was a member of a well-known Sydney family, was a retired business man, formerly associated with the management of a picture theatre in the district.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article ... archTerm=J

MAN'S SUICIDE The Canberra Times June 14 1937

FOUND SHOT THROUGH HEART

Sequel to S.P. Inquiry Mention

SYDNEY, Sunday.

A wealthy retired poultry farmer, Frederick Dalrymple, whose name had been frequently mentioned in connection with, the Starting Price Royal Commission in that he brought pressure to bear on the Premier (Mr. Stevens) and other Cabinet Ministers in having Constable Jefferson Browne, transferred, from the Rockdale Police Station after constable Browne had charged him driving a car under the influence of liquor, was found dead today on a vacant allotment off Harrow Road, Kogarah, with his heart almost I blown to pieces.
A shotgun with one cartridge in the breach was found nearby.
Constable Browne alleged that he was transferred from the Rockdale Police Station to the Regent Police Station following representations by Dalrymple to the Premier (Mr. Stevens), and the Chief Secretary (Mr. F Chaffey), and the Minister for Justice (Mr. Martin), and the Police Commissioner (Mr. Mackay),

Mr. Windeyer, who was assisting the Commission denied the allegations and said that the reason for Browne's transference was on account of the suggestions made by local residents and had nothing to do with Dalrymple's prosecution.

It is surmised that death occurred last night, but the body was not discovered until this morning.

It appears that the fatal shot was fired by the means of a piece of string attached to the trigger.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:24 pm 
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Chicken07 wrote:
I'm very glad the dice rolled in your favour with that hatch and hopefully you can build the flock back up again.

I think I remember seeing a Sicilian Buttercup at the Canberra Show in 2012. Would that have been yours?


I did have a pair there. The other pair pretty much looked to have Wyandotte type bodies, my own were racey type Mediterranean with white lobes..

There are Utube clips available of them.

The boys
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MdwfnwATsc&noredirect=1

The girls
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPivFFHE9o8

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:43 pm 
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Haha ... yes I remember. Guess who took the videos. I can hear my OH yacking in the background.




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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:51 pm 
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Yes I saw your name when I got to Utube. I thought I recognised it earlier lol.

You see what I mean with type needing some work. The comb of the red eared is not actually a cup.

This is a cup
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I've been told this isn't a good example, but you may be interested to see it anyway. I took these photos a few years ago at Beaudesert.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 11:19 pm 
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Well Cath, even to get to that point is a lot of work. I think the comb is cup/horn cross so therefore the split at the back. The colour grossly incorrect and legs....not willow. BUT better to start with this individual and work towards the standard than start from scratch altogether right?

That comb, put over rose of hamburg would give outcome favourable to both duplex, and everything in between that is nothing. Selective breeding of individuals , both parents of whom had desirous traits would automatically strengthen the genetic basis for the expression, from my experience.

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Great work!! Hope you can build up again.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2013 7:44 am 
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So do I. I'm also interested in the other unusual comb type mentioned above - the Sicilian Unicorn. I have never seen anything like that.

For those that like looking at photos - these two were not taken by me. The photos either belong to David Simons or Ray Mathieson, I'm not sure which. I'm not knowledgeable enough about this breed. I just enjoy looking at unusual fowls. I suspect they may be better than the others I put up though.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2013 9:42 pm 
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This string is the first time on any board in Australia the mention of such a breed and I'm sure most of the world is unaware of it. I'll get a picture of one when I get home on two hours.

As for the above exhibits it's tough to comment without offending someone especially the breeder but it's Mediterranean type is non existent. The tail is not typical of the variety. The comb worth 30 points is a cup if you like drinking from a broken glass.

The cup should resemble a flower and be delicate not thick and rough. The leg colour is something of green but hardly willow . I'll find a willow image that should be typical

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Thanks. I see what you mean.

It is obviously a breed that is very challenging to breed well.

What do you think of the example photo in the Australian Poultry Standard? I see that you've sponsored it. Is it a good example, or just the best that was available? Would you describe that as a broken glass cup?

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