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I'm currently working on re-creating an Ayam Cemani type breed here in Australia. So far am at F3/F4 stage and here is some pictures of my best so far.







I'm not entirely sure if I will re-create the same body type as the Ayam Cemani but am thinking about perhaps developing it as a dual purpose breed.

Your getting there,
Maybe a old English game might help the shape
I would keep right away from a white lobed breed.

Thanks, yeah I was thinking some kind of game bird to get that lean but muscular body.

If you nail them, they will be very popular for you.

What are you going to use to get that Japanese/Yokohama type of tail into them.

It looks like you started with Australorps, what did you use to get the black right to the skin/meat.

There has been a lot of interest in them of late, Ayam goreng will be interested in this thread, he loves them too.

Well done looking good.

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Wow! Looking good so far.
I would be very interested in your finished product.

Cool! good job

Correct I did start with an Australorp cock, the Fm came from some crossbred silkies that a friend of mine had, not sure what they had been crossed with but they were crested, ER based and had normal feathering. I've had a lot of bad luck with the few that I managed to breed from the original crosses as they disappeared one day, maybe a fox or python not sure, so I had to wait a fair while before I could breed any more.
If theres enough demand for them I will look into completely re-creating them, body type and all. I really like the look of the full black skinned birds without the crest.

These look incredible. Well done. You have something extraordinary there. I'd be trying to recreate the real deal.

We hear a lot of stories of people with something rare and special that lose them. You may want to consider a breeding partner who holds a good range of backup stock and helps speed your breeding program up.

Best of luck with them.

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I would like to see post mortem photos of your birds. It will be a job and a half to get them to Cemani standard as they are a lot blacker on the inside than Silkie.

Pictured in my gallery is similar birds a friend of mine has.


Matt

Excellent work from both parties ... I be keeping a watch to your progress..Thanks for sharing the stage you at I'm enjoying looking at all your pics with progress.

Any idea what factors affect the degree of pigmentation in the internal organs etc Ayam? How do they select for that trait?

I don't know. Do a search on the coop- http://www.the-coop.org/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=cfrm Or even ask there. There is some good genetic people quiet active on that site.

I know where the top breeders of Cemani are located in Indonesia. If you are ever interested in visiting these people I could help you.

Matt

Looking at my latest lot of offspring I think I may have figured out a bit about selection for internal pigmentation but I shall keep it to myself for now

I recall seeing a you tube video where they looked at tongue colour as an indicator of colour penetration and quality of pigmentation in Ceyami.

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Can we see any recent photos of your Cemani Mr Holland !!