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 Post subject: Ayam Cemani project
PostPosted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 2:07 pm 
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I'm currently working on re-creating an Ayam Cemani type breed here in Australia. So far am at F3/F4 stage and here is some pictures of my best so far.

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I'm not entirely sure if I will re-create the same body type as the Ayam Cemani but am thinking about perhaps developing it as a dual purpose breed.


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 Post subject: Re: Ayam Cemani project
PostPosted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 9:14 pm 
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Your getting there,
Maybe a old English game might help the shape
I would keep right away from a white lobed breed.


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 Post subject: Re: Ayam Cemani project
PostPosted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 1:32 am 
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Thanks, yeah I was thinking some kind of game bird to get that lean but muscular body.


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 Post subject: Re: Ayam Cemani project
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If you nail them, they will be very popular for you.

What are you going to use to get that Japanese/Yokohama type of tail into them.

It looks like you started with Australorps, what did you use to get the black right to the skin/meat.

There has been a lot of interest in them of late, Ayam goreng will be interested in this thread, he loves them too.

Well done looking good. :thumbs:

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 Post subject: Re: Ayam Cemani project
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Wow! Looking good so far.
I would be very interested in your finished product.


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 Post subject: Re: Ayam Cemani project
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Cool! good job :)


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 Post subject: Re: Ayam Cemani project
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Correct I did start with an Australorp cock, the Fm came from some crossbred silkies that a friend of mine had, not sure what they had been crossed with but they were crested, ER based and had normal feathering. I've had a lot of bad luck with the few that I managed to breed from the original crosses as they disappeared one day, maybe a fox or python not sure, so I had to wait a fair while before I could breed any more.
If theres enough demand for them I will look into completely re-creating them, body type and all. I really like the look of the full black skinned birds without the crest.


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 Post subject: Re: Ayam Cemani project
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These look incredible. Well done. You have something extraordinary there. I'd be trying to recreate the real deal.

We hear a lot of stories of people with something rare and special that lose them. You may want to consider a breeding partner who holds a good range of backup stock and helps speed your breeding program up.

Best of luck with them.

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 Post subject: Re: Ayam Cemani project
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I would like to see post mortem photos of your birds. It will be a job and a half to get them to Cemani standard as they are a lot blacker on the inside than Silkie.

Pictured in my gallery is similar birds a friend of mine has.
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Excellent work from both parties :thumbs: ... I be keeping a watch to your progress..Thanks for sharing the stage you at I'm enjoying looking at all your pics with progress.


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 Post subject: Re: Ayam Cemani project
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Any idea what factors affect the degree of pigmentation in the internal organs etc Ayam? How do they select for that trait?


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 Post subject: Re: Ayam Cemani project
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I don't know. Do a search on the coop- http://www.the-coop.org/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=cfrm Or even ask there. There is some good genetic people quiet active on that site.

I know where the top breeders of Cemani are located in Indonesia. If you are ever interested in visiting these people I could help you.

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 Post subject: Re: Ayam Cemani project
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Looking at my latest lot of offspring I think I may have figured out a bit about selection for internal pigmentation but I shall keep it to myself for now ;)


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I recall seeing a you tube video where they looked at tongue colour as an indicator of colour penetration and quality of pigmentation in Ceyami.

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 Post subject: Re: Ayam Cemani project
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Can we see any recent photos of your Cemani Mr Holland !!


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