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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 8:34 pm 
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I was lucky enough to pick up a bantam Indian game cockerel this week. The plan is to cross him with my larger australorp X pullets to try and achieve a smaller, meatier bird for the table.

Now that I have him and have seen his size I'm not sure how it will go. He is half the size of my Australorp X buff Orpington pullets. Does anyone else have experience in such a cross?

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 9:39 pm 
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There's a good chance he'll do the job. As far as size is concerned, there is a dwarfing gene on the sex chromosome, so that will affect his daughters more than his sons (as they get one copy from their dam and one from their sire).


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 11:00 pm 
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andrewschooks wrote:
There's a good chance he'll do the job. As far as size is concerned, there is a dwarfing gene on the sex chromosome, so that will affect his daughters more than his sons (as they get one copy from their dam and one from their sire).
Thanks Andrewschooks. That's very interesting and I look forward to see what the offspring are like


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 12:07 am 
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I have used a bantam Indian Game rooster over standard Indian Game hens.There was an improbable ratio of male to female progeny. The males were close to full size and the females were fairly small.
One theory I have seen is that the genetically smaller pullet chickens developing in a large egg are unable to absorb the large yolk after hatching. I have no idea whether this actually happens. It will be interesting what results you get.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 12:39 am 
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fuscipes wrote:
I have used a bantam Indian Game rooster over standard Indian Game hens.There was an improbable ratio of male to female progeny. The males were close to full size and the females were fairly small.
One theory I have seen is that the genetically smaller pullet chickens developing in a large egg are unable to absorb the large yolk after hatching. I have no idea whether this actually happens. It will be interesting what results you get.

Thanks Fuscipes. Good to hear you have had success with a bantam roo over full size girls. It will be interesting to see what I get from the cross and I'll definitely post the results on here


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 9:42 am 
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I think you should have success.
He only has to mate each plt every couple of weeks to get reliable fertility.
Being an active ckl with reasonable leg length he will do the trick.
I would be less optimistic if he were an older male with short legs typical of an exhibition male.
Where there is a will there is a way, I've seen a cross between a standard size Australian Game male and bantam OEG female, he only needed to succeed once for a fertile clutch of healthy chickens to result.
Looking back now so many years ago they were typical Aust Game bantam type, not heard of then and only developed years later to be what we see now as Aust Game bantams.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 9:56 am 
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Oaklands wrote:
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Thanks Oaklands


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2016 11:43 pm 
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Just an update on this thread. I am struggling with fertility unfortunately. Just hatched out the first chicks yesterday. I started with 24 eggs in the incubator and only hatched 5 and still have one egg left which probably won't hatch. So around 20% fertility isn't ideal. I have since trimmed the fluffy butts of my australorp crosses and I think this has helped a bit. Just from checking the 'bullseye's' for the last week I have it up to around 50% fertile. This may be the best I get as just from watching my roo in action it is very difficult for him. He struggles to keep balance on the bigger hens and often falls off before getting the job done. I think due to the logistical issues I probably won't get fertility any higher with this cross. Anyway here is a pic of the day old chicks. Will be keen to see what they develop into Image


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 02, 2016 12:46 am 
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How many hens do you have for him to service? If not all are fertile then maybe he'll have better luck with fewer females (depending on how many there are of course).

I do have to say, your hens are so cool looking, they have a look like partially scorched timber or something. Pretty!


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 02, 2016 10:27 am 
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Azira wrote:
How many hens do you have for him to service? If not all are fertile then maybe he'll have better luck with fewer females (depending on how many there are of course).

I do have to say, your hens are so cool looking, they have a look like partially scorched timber or something. Pretty!

I started with 6 hens in with him (including and old arucana x who no longer lays) however have added a couple of broodies from another pen. I found it a good way to break the broodies as all they want to do is get back into the other pen and eventually give up. So he has 7 laying hens to service currently. Thinking about it this may be a few too many for the little guy so I might try leaving around 3 or 4 in with him and see if this helps. Thanks for the suggestion Azira.

I love the colour of the Australorp x buff Orpington crosses. Some have a really cool dark chocolate colour. They are excellent layers which is the main thing I'm after


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 02, 2016 10:43 am 
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Bender,
There is another aspect to this you may wish to consider.
If you have some fertility he is having some success.
Some males have favourites and some they do not find attractive, like most males, or the reverse could be the case and some females don't like him.
The other thing you may consider is the current weather conditions.
For some extended time we have had unseasonal wet cold conditions across most of Australia.
Traditionally heavy breeds and Indians come under this category improve with fertility into the warmer months, often not until the heat of summer, this could be part of the problem.
If possible you could divide his flock of females into 2 groups and alternate him every few days so he can do the job, he will be keener to work with a new batch of females each time he is moved.
You could try 3 days with each group and a rest day between to make him keener when he gets the opportunity.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 02, 2016 11:12 am 
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Oaklands wrote:
Bender,
If possible you could divide his flock of females into 2 groups and alternate him every few days so he can do the job, he will be keener to work with a new batch of females each time he is moved.
You could try 3 days with each group and a rest day between to make him keener when he gets the opportunity.

I was about to suggest the same thing. I was thinking a longer period between moving him between the groups, but the same idea. :thumbs:


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 02, 2016 11:35 am 
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You raise a couple of good points Oaklands. We have had a cool start to spring however it hasn't really effected my other breeding pens. But I guess there is a chance things will improve with some warm weather.

Also thanks for the suggestion of splitting the flock. It will be worth giving it a go however all my pens are occupied at present so will need to do some shuffling around.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 02, 2016 6:01 pm 
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If pen space is not available the alternative is to remove him from the pen.
Then every other day allow him to go back but not until late afternoon.
This way he will be keen and in the evenings most males are at their most active and will be sure to 'do the rounds' , be right on the job and as 'keen as mustard'.
After the fowls have gone to roost for the night remove him again to his own quarters until time again to go back.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 03, 2016 12:12 am 
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Oaklands wrote:
If pen space is not available the alternative is to remove him from the pen.
Then every other day allow him to go back but not until late afternoon.
This way he will be keen and in the evenings most males are at their most active and will be sure to 'do the rounds' , be right on the job and as 'keen as mustard'.
After the fowls have gone to roost for the night remove him again to his own quarters until time again to go back.

That's a great suggestion. Thanks Oaklands. I will give it a try


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