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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2016 7:45 pm 
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Anyone breeding Rhodebars?


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 Post subject: Re: Rhodebar
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Every now and then someone has a go, but I'm not aware of any finished ones.


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 Post subject: Re: Rhodebar
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Thanks Andrew that's what I thought.
I have access to 'some work in progress' Rhodebars and I think I know what to do next.
Was hoping someone else was working on them to exchange ideas and/or breeding stock!


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 Post subject: Re: Rhodebar
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Change of direction - any Hambar breeders out there?


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 Post subject: Re: Rhodebar
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You mean Hambar as in barred New Hampshire? Not Barred Hamburg which are autosomal barred like a Campine.

If you've already got part made Rhodebars they would be good start for New Hambars as NewHampshires are a breed that was originally derived from Rhode Is Reds.


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 Post subject: Re: Rhodebar
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Yes indeed - Hambars (barred New Hampshire).
Have a 'Redbar' rooster and a heap of New Hampshires.


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 Post subject: Re: Rhodebar
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Too easy! As you know the barring gene is on the sex chromosome. So roosters have two sex chromosomes and hens only one. A rooster can have none, one or two doses of barring and hens only one or none.

So if your rooster has two doses, all his chicks will inherit one dose. You won't be able to sex them on hatching , but they'll be the next step in making Hambars.


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 Post subject: Re: Rhodebar
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My understanding is that barred male over barred female will give double barred male offspring but can you tell visually the difference between single and double barring in males?
The person I got the 'redbars' from gave me what he said was a double barred male but I can't see any difference to the previous males I got from him.


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 Post subject: Re: Rhodebar
PostPosted: Wed Dec 28, 2016 7:40 am 
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Yes the males with two copies of the barring gene will be substantially lighter colour than those with one copy. The one copy ones are much the same colour as hens.

You'll tell for sure when you breed him to the NH hens. If all the chicks are barred then he has two doses of barring if only half, then he's only got one copy.


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 Post subject: Re: Rhodebar
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It's also important when you do get to a stabilised breed, that you select males that show clear differentiation in colour from females on hatching. It's possible to lose the autosexing characteristics if you pick males for breeding that lack that good differentiation.


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