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PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:42 pm 
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Hi I’m interested in getting leghorns and breeding them for improved laying via data from a nestbox camera and coloured legbands. I’m just wondering is it possible to accidentally breed a purebred chicken for the best laying to the point where they start becoming more like a commercial layer hen? :-? I want good layers but not that extreme. For example, could they start exhibiting more commercial layer type qualities, amazing first year lay but fatal health problems after about 2 years and almost no lay after 2 years old if I keep breeding the best layers?

The kind of bird I’m interested is a good purebred layer that is still able to live healthily to a good age. I'm inspired by having a Rhode Island Red that is 4 years old and an Araucana and a Campine mix that are both 6 year olds. They still lay a little bit and they look and act so young! :rooll

What's your experience or two cents on this?

Ssangyong


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2020 6:13 pm 
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Ssangyong wrote:
Hi I’m interested in getting leghorns and breeding them for improved laying via data from a nestbox camera and coloured legbands. I’m just wondering is it possible to accidentally breed a purebred chicken for the best laying to the point where they start becoming more like a commercial layer hen? :-? I want good layers but not that extreme. For example, could they start exhibiting more commercial layer type qualities, amazing first year lay but fatal health problems after about 2 years and almost no lay after 2 years old if I keep breeding the best layers?

The kind of bird I’m interested is a good purebred layer that is still able to live healthily to a good age. I'm inspired by having a Rhode Island Red that is 4 years old and an Araucana and a Campine mix that are both 6 year olds. They still lay a little bit and they look and act so young! :rooll

What's your experience or two cents on this?

Ssangyong


there is a lot of rare breeds chooks ,good eggs layer for a long time . they age gracefully .
Leghorn are good layer any ways .
you could do any thing you want with your chooks by selective breeding . breed the old to the young to increase the longevity on you improved next flock .


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:13 pm 
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Commercial layers going off the lay after 14 months and dropping dead after two years is, fortunately, just another urban myth! I have had Commercial Brown, Black and White hens for many years and I can assure you they lived in excess of 5 years and continued to lay. They did however layer bigger and less eggs with every passing year.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:50 am 
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philthomas1 wrote:
Commercial layers going off the lay after 14 months and dropping dead after two years is, fortunately, just another urban myth! I have had Commercial Brown, Black and White hens for many years and I can assure you they lived in excess of 5 years and continued to lay. They did however layer bigger and less eggs with every passing year.


Hi Phil,

I am in part agreement with you with the above statement, but what variety of fowls do you term as commercial layers?


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 11:47 am 
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I did once buy 8 x battery hens, and none made it past 3 yrs. At the same time I bought point of lay hybrid layers, they were still going at 8 and 9 yrs.
Maybe buying commercial layers at point of is different to getting them as already flogged out from being in a cage situation.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 1:36 pm 
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3Bstuds -
These commercial layers -
https://www.bondsbackyardlayers.com.au/our-breeds

mycoola -
I agree - Ex-battery layers bought at first moult (if that is what you are referring to) are a totally different option to the same birds bought as day old and allowed to free range for their lives! (IMO).


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 3:00 pm 
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philthomas1 wrote:
3Bstuds -
These commercial layers -
https://www.bondsbackyardlayers.com.au/our-breeds

mycoola -
I agree - Ex-battery layers bought at first moult (if that is what you are referring to) are a totally different option to the same birds bought as day old and allowed to free range for their lives! (IMO).


Hi mycoola,

Good to see that you are still about, and I gather you are well.

Phil

My take on commercial layers, and I would group into this group are Isa Browns, Lohmann Browns and Hi Line Browns, these layers are often purchased as layers by backyarders after they have reached that point when they drop below 75% productivity from commercials laying enterprises, and they come with their own set of problems leading up to their 2nd year namely reproductive issues.

And the 2nd lot of so called commercials I would lump together are the hatchery operations eg, Brian Larkin, Barter, Bonds and like.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 3:29 pm 
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What do you see as the difference between 'commercial' layers and 'so called commercial layers'?


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 5:40 pm 
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philthomas1 wrote:
What do you see as the difference between 'commercial' layers and 'so called commercial layers'?

Phil,

My understanding of the two.

The commercial layers are products of three different overseas companies based in the Netherlands and Germany, the genetic material used to create these birds is kept under lock a key, also the products/poultry come under licencing agreements, I am not sure but I think there are two Australian companies which have distribution rights in Australia, chicks are hatched and sold in bulk quantities direct to the commercial large free range and intensive layer operations.

The so called layers are usually products of Australian family run concerns, the genetics that go into these birds are advertised on the individual businesses websites, and can be purchased direct to the public from day olds to point of lay.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 6:19 pm 
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Sorry - didn't mean the difference in the 'corporate' side of the breeds - rather their egg laying ability!
A 'commercial' layer to me is a bird bred specifically for maximum egg production.
The specs on the Lohman Brown and Bonds Browns appear VERY similar in egg production time to lay, egg size, feed consumption etc, so (for me) I'd classify both as 'commercial layers'.
http://www.specialisedbreeders.com.au/w ... /L-Int.pdf
http://www.bondenterprises.com.au/websi ... let-V2.pdf


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