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 Post subject: Behaviour at shows
PostPosted: Thu May 30, 2019 5:02 pm 
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Recently I showed for a special award. I have a rare breed. There is only one exhibitor competing against me. I showed both days last weekend. The first day I won champion and reserve champion of my breed. The next day same birds against each other and other exhibitor is stewarding the section our birds are in and I only get reserve of breed, only to hear that something made up not in the standard for the breed was called as a in fault in my birds. The judge said as much too. The judge didn't consider all the other attributes of the breed, rather focused on a made up "fault" which is actually only 5% of the standard.

I don't understand why this would happen especially when not in the Australian standard at all. After lots of digging around there is a vague reference to something similiar in the British breed standard.

My concerns are several fold
1) I was given no credit from the judge, the other exhibitor and others about knowing the standard, even though I have been breeding the breed for almost 10 years
2) The unsporting way people go about trying to win without merit
3) I have a rare breed and exposure of the breed and good examples need to be viewed not focus on somethning that is insignificant
4) We live in Australia not Britain. Our standards are developed from theirs and the US (it's not mentioned ther either) but this is waht we are judges against
5) It was a delibrate ploy to cast doubt on better examples of the breed to try an ensure they eliminate competitoion in future and add a penalty for something that is not mentioned as a fault at all.

I have written a letter addressing my concerns

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 Post subject: Re: Behaviour at shows
PostPosted: Sat Oct 12, 2019 9:27 am 
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It's unfortunate. I assume there were two different judges on each of these days. There are judges and there are judges when it comes to standards knowledge, there are different opinions when it comes to some things about fowls, and there is also the fact that birds stand or present themselves differently on different occasions.

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1) I was given no credit from the judge, the other exhibitor and others about knowing the standard, even though I have been breeding the breed for almost 10 years

They would probably have been defensive about the situation. Honestly, if you know the standard and know your bird is strong, there is no point taking it up with the judge. Just accept the decision.

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2) The unsporting way people go about trying to win without merit

Choose your shows. If you have a great time with good people at a show - remember that and go there next time and vice versa.

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3) I have a rare breed and exposure of the breed and good examples need to be viewed not focus on somethning that is insignificant

True. There are judges who will do that. Show under those.

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4) We live in Australia not Britain. Our standards are developed from theirs and the US (it's not mentioned ther either) but this is waht we are judges against

Yes true. You must be talking about something extremely minor because most of the standards are a copy and paste of the BPS with maybe some tiny colour differences.

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5) It was a delibrate ploy to cast doubt on better examples of the breed to try an ensure they eliminate competitoion in future and add a penalty for something that is not mentioned as a fault at all.

That's a pretty serious allegation. It would be hard to prove. I find the best approach to showing a rare breed is to show under the more knowledgeable judges. Sometimes that means going to rare breed shows or to shows where they pick their judges for the right reasons. I wish you well in finding better shows and having better experiences.

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 Post subject: Re: Behaviour at shows
PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 2:25 pm 
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Thanks for your responses.
It all still irks me. I have written a letter of compliant but several months have passed and there has yet to be a reply on the issue which is poor to say the least.
I haven't shown in years and been focussing on perfecting my fowl. This year however was a special award akin to the state championship. I worked out after each show which judges I would never show under after this. I showed at 15 shows, there were 4 judges that had no idea on my breed, yes even as a feature.

Unfortunately there are influental and aggrogant people in the fancy and why would you bother showing anything with those people.

My biggest probelm is the question is to why bother showing at all ? The standard is there, you endeavour to breed to the standard and then when you do show the crtics come out and knock the birds on something so they can pick fault to justify never elevating the breed. Lets face it there are only a handful of breeds that win shows. Sure are they the best examples of the breeds. How can one judge something when they don't know what the best example looks like ?

I was told, I was on the right track by a several judges and then one judge said "they had a long way to go " without any direction. I won champion & reserve rare breed at one show and narrowly lost reseve of my section at another. I was told they were too big and then they were too light within a two week window from other judges. It was contradictory and bemusing.

reasons not to show
1) diseases
2) parasites
3) judges not knowing and sometimes not caring about the exhibit presented to them
4) spending an entires day, from 6am -7pm (like a work day to drive out to a show, be there and return when it's finished)
5) cost, both of entries and petrol and items to prep the birds etc
6) time, not just on the day but before-hand, training and washing and prepping

reasons to show
1) promote a rare breed
2) have your breed recognised
3) get some advice and this is prefaced on the judge knowing something of the breed
4) a chance to meet other exhibitors with your breed

As you can see the reasons not to show outweigh those to show. For me some of the postive reasons where striped with this incident considering they were the only other major competitor, I now dispise them and It sets the breed back.

I showed at the rare breeds show in my state and there were many breeds not rare included. The specialist judge, didn't view my birds as they didn't do that section which was disappointing.
My breed no longer has a club and is destined for the scrap heap of the ultra rare breeds. And people wonder why are aren't shown, and why they are rare

I will no longer show in the mainstream. I will do the odd aggie show to support them. But my advise to anyone that is seriously considering showing a rare breed is not to.
A friend of mine has done that long ago and now I'm with him. We both enjoy our birds and don't need to waste time on some stupid little ribbon to justify it

In essence for the reasons outlined this is why the fancy will die. the handful of breeds will be all that is exhibited and the rest will be forgotten forever.

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 Post subject: Re: Behaviour at shows
PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 2:38 pm 
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It's only worth doing if it's fun as it's a huge input of time and money. I can understand your view. In some ways finding enjoyment in your poultry outside of mainstream exhibition might be better. It comes down to what you enjoy and find value in.

As you are so into rare breeds, maybe you would like to participate in the 2019 Poultry Census by the Rare Breeds Trust of Australia which is open at the moment. https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/poultrysurveyaustralia

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 Post subject: Re: Behaviour at shows
PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 2:52 pm 
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Already done it

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