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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:40 am 
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We have a dam in the bottom of the valley, it occurred to me that this would be a better place to have the majority of our ducks. However, there would be a problem with predation from hawks & foxes, so we would need to install some form of enclosure circling a section of land & water. Does anyone know of this having been done before? I would have thought so. Does anyone have any images or plans?
Thank you for your time.
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 Post subject: Re: Enclosures.
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KeithH wrote:
We have a dam in the bottom of the valley, it occurred to me that this would be a better place to have the majority of our ducks. However, there would be a problem with predation from hawks & foxes, so we would need to install some form of enclosure circling a section of land & water. Does anyone know of this having been done before? I would have thought so. Does anyone have any images or plans?
Thank you for your time.
Regards, Keith.


Marrema s dog will be good for that sort of design . have you look into them?


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 Post subject: Re: Enclosures.
PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:33 am 
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We have a dam in the bottom of the valley, it occurred to me that this would be a better place to have the majority of our ducks. However, there would be a problem with predation from hawks & foxes, so we would need to install some form of enclosure circling a section of land & water. Does anyone know of this having been done before? I would have thought so. Does anyone have any images or plans?
Thank you for your time.
Regards, Keith.


Marrema s dog will be good for that sort of design . have you look into them?


Thank you Jose, I will google it & find out what that is.
Appreciated.
Keith.


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 Post subject: Re: Enclosures.
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Post a photo of the area you hope to enclose.

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 Post subject: Re: Enclosures.
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Post a photo of the area you hope to enclose.

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A part of this, not the whole thing. A enclosure that includes land & water.
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 Post subject: Re: Enclosures.
PostPosted: Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:09 am 
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Keith....you've got a couple of options. You could build a secure night pen, or buy and erect a garden shed with an outdoor area. Anchor shed at each corner with star posts and use concrete pavers as a floor. I free range my ducks on both a dam and a creek, they all return to the pen in the evening to be fed and locked up.

Unless you have a small breed of duck you shouldn't have a problem with hawks and because they spend most of the time in the water or close to the waters edge you shouldn't lose any to foxes as long as they are locked in at night. I've never lost any ducks to either in 20 years. The only predator I've lost the odd duck to over the years is a sea eagle, and there is not a lot you can do about that if you want to free range your birds because they swoop down and take them off the water.

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Here's a couple of options for a secure pen.

If you want to fence off part of the dam you will need to concrete in a post either side and run a three lengths of fencing wire between them, piece of rope and stick attached to wire and then pulled across. Use chain link fencing for the underwater run, chicken wire will only last a couple of months before rusting out, you need 1200mm under water to stop the ducks diving underneath, in your case that may even reach the bottom. Aim for 1800mm out of the water, chicken wire is ok , two runs of 900mm or one run of 1800m, you can leave 300mm nice and floppy at the top, any less than this and they will fly and scramble there way over the top. They are not so hard on the in ground fences so 1200mm chain link or chicken wire can be used. Although a lot more expensive chain link is my preference, less star posts and rigidity without running supporting wires. I suggest you run 600mm heavy duty bird wire as an apron on top of the ground outside of the fencing to prevent anything digging under, weed mat pins are the cheapest for fastening it down. You will still need the secure night house unless you can do a really good job on overhead netting, foxes are as you probably know really hard to keep out

I have a temporary set up similar to the above that I use for spare drakes etc, I haven't used the chainlink in the water so have to replace it every time I use it. Pictures aren't great with the water pretty low at the moment, hope this helps.
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 Post subject: Re: Enclosures.
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Squeaker wrote:
Keith....you've got a couple of options. You could build a secure night pen, or buy and erect a garden shed with an outdoor area. Anchor shed at each corner with star posts and use concrete pavers as a floor. I free range my ducks on both a dam and a creek, they all return to the pen in the evening to be fed and locked up.

Unless you have a small breed of duck you shouldn't have a problem with hawks and because they spend most of the time in the water or close to the waters edge you shouldn't lose any to foxes as long as they are locked in at night. I've never lost any ducks to either in 20 years. The only predator I've lost the odd duck to over the years is a sea eagle, and there is not a lot you can do about that if you want to free range your birds because they swoop down and take them off the water.



Here's a couple of options for a secure pen.

If you want to fence off part of the dam you will need to concrete in a post either side and run a three lengths of fencing wire between them, piece of rope and stick attached to wire and then pulled across. Use chain link fencing for the underwater run, chicken wire will only last a couple of months before rusting out, you need 1200mm under water to stop the ducks diving underneath, in your case that may even reach the bottom. Aim for 1800mm out of the water, chicken wire is ok , two runs of 900mm or one run of 1800m, you can leave 300mm nice and floppy at the top, any less than this and they will fly and scramble there way over the top. They are not so hard on the in ground fences so 1200mm chain link or chicken wire can be used. Although a lot more expensive chain link is my preference, less star posts and rigidity without running supporting wires. I suggest you run 600mm heavy duty bird wire as an apron on top of the ground outside of the fencing to prevent anything digging under, weed mat pins are the cheapest for fastening it down. You will still need the secure night house unless you can do a really good job on overhead netting, foxes are as you probably know really hard to keep out

I have a temporary set up similar to the above that I use for spare drakes etc, I haven't used the chainlink in the water so have to replace it every time I use it. Pictures aren't great with the water pretty low at the moment, hope this helps.
John


Thank you John, very much appreciated.
Regards, Keith.


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 Post subject: Re: Enclosures.
PostPosted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 4:14 am 
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KeithH wrote:
We have a dam in the bottom of the valley, it occurred to me that this would be a better place to have the majority of our ducks. However, there would be a problem with predation from hawks & foxes, so we would need to install some form of enclosure circling a section of land & water. Does anyone know of this having been done before? I would have thought so. Does anyone have any images or plans?
Thank you for your time.
Regards, Keith.


what sort of duck breed you have KeithH ?
nice dam you got there ,they will love it for sure .


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 Post subject: Re: Enclosures.
PostPosted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 4:20 am 
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Squeaker wrote:
Keith....you've got a couple of options. You could build a secure night pen, or buy and erect a garden shed with an outdoor area. Anchor shed at each corner with star posts and use concrete pavers as a floor. I free range my ducks on both a dam and a creek, they all return to the pen in the evening to be fed and locked up.

Unless you have a small breed of duck you shouldn't have a problem with hawks and because they spend most of the time in the water or close to the waters edge you shouldn't lose any to foxes as long as they are locked in at night. I've never lost any ducks to either in 20 years. The only predator I've lost the odd duck to over the years is a sea eagle, and there is not a lot you can do about that if you want to free range your birds because they swoop down and take them off the water.

Image
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DSCN0012.JPG


Here's a couple of options for a secure pen.

If you want to fence off part of the dam you will need to concrete in a post either side and run a three lengths of fencing wire between them, piece of rope and stick attached to wire and then pulled across. Use chain link fencing for the underwater run, chicken wire will only last a couple of months before rusting out, you need 1200mm under water to stop the ducks diving underneath, in your case that may even reach the bottom. Aim for 1800mm out of the water, chicken wire is ok , two runs of 900mm or one run of 1800m, you can leave 300mm nice and floppy at the top, any less than this and they will fly and scramble there way over the top. They are not so hard on the in ground fences so 1200mm chain link or chicken wire can be used. Although a lot more expensive chain link is my preference, less star posts and rigidity without running supporting wires. I suggest you run 600mm heavy duty bird wire as an apron on top of the ground outside of the fencing to prevent anything digging under, weed mat pins are the cheapest for fastening it down. You will still need the secure night house unless you can do a really good job on overhead netting, foxes are as you probably know really hard to keep out

I have a temporary set up similar to the above that I use for spare drakes etc, I haven't used the chainlink in the water so have to replace it every time I use it. Pictures aren't great with the water pretty low at the moment, hope this helps.
John
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good set up John .
I like your idea .guess I start using my dum and get some ducks .


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 Post subject: Re: Enclosures.
PostPosted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:46 am 
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jose wrote:
KeithH wrote:
We have a dam in the bottom of the valley, it occurred to me that this would be a better place to have the majority of our ducks. However, there would be a problem with predation from hawks & foxes, so we would need to install some form of enclosure circling a section of land & water. Does anyone know of this having been done before? I would have thought so. Does anyone have any images or plans?
Thank you for your time.
Regards, Keith.


what sort of duck breed you have KeithH ?
nice dam you got there ,they will love it for sure .


Khaki Campbell Jose.
Keith.


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 Post subject: Re: Enclosures.
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KeithH wrote:
jose wrote:
KeithH wrote:
We have a dam in the bottom of the valley, it occurred to me that this would be a better place to have the majority of our ducks. However, there would be a problem with predation from hawks & foxes, so we would need to install some form of enclosure circling a section of land & water. Does anyone know of this having been done before? I would have thought so. Does anyone have any images or plans?
Thank you for your time.
Regards, Keith.


what sort of duck breed you have KeithH ?
nice dam you got there ,they will love it for sure .


Khaki Campbell Jose.
Keith.


love them .I ll start building them a place to sleep and I ll get some .
do you have a trio for sale by any chance .
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 Post subject: Re: Enclosures.
PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:44 am 
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love them .I ll start building them a place to sleep and I ll get some .
do you have a trio for sale by any chance .
Jose[/quote]

No mate, these are our meat & eggs supply.
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