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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2008 12:50 am 
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Hi everyone! First post...

We have a young pair of brown chinese that are very attached to each other - which we plan to breed in spring.

Based on this site http://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/agriculture/l ... d-breeding
I figured an extra goose or two would do no harm (and a bit of hybrid vigour wouldn't hurt in the offspring), and happened across what I think is a toulousexchinese goose (mostly white, has a slight dewlap and a yellow beak - bigger than our Chinese gander) for a good price. Our chinese gander Barney has been trying hard to mate with one of our indian runners, so we figured he was a bit oversexed...

However, Barney doesn't seem to like the new arrival, and I have found the tribe of honk website, which says chinese pair up for life, and chinese crosses tend to be infertile.

Can anyone clarify what the real situation is??

(will try to post a pic of the new goose in case anyone can identify it)

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Hi Ben welcome to BYP

While the odd geese may mate with a few partners, it is always best to run pairs for better fertility, harmony (the females wont fight amongst each other over eggs/gander). If they sit, the gander will try to keep them in closish proximity to him and will most likely result in egg squabbles with the females stealing each others eggs.

The few times i have run a trio - i have regretted it.

The DPI site leaves alot to be desired, and looks like it was a bit of a rush with litte research put in.

In regards to the other being a chinese X, i would doubt it. They are very noticable, and have a distinct look to them. toulouse X chinese will not produce a white bird, more likely a toulouse X embden, or a toulouse X a white bird of some sort. In the first generation when geese are Xed, you will end up with birds that looked Xed, and birds that look like mum and dad.

It may also be the new arrival is a gander and not a goose, which woll pose a problem. If geese have mated or being raised together they will not take too kindly to a new introduction. You would need to get a mate for the new one to keep it all in check.

To break a pair, you would need to take the birds out of 'honk' range so they can not hear each other and put with theor new mates. It does not always work, and occasionally the gander will kill the new goose - or stress sooo much they need to go back to their old partner.

Having said that, i had a pair i split up, and there were no second thoughts - lol, they must have been sick of each other :lol:

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Thanks for the great info.

I will vent-sex the new goose this arvo, and post a pic so someone can hopefully identify the mix.

Our chinese pair are about 14 months old and have mated but haven't had any offspring yet - however I wouldn't want to split them up. We have only had them for a couple of months.

The new arrival is about 6 months old apparently, and has been a lone goose living with chooks all her/his life.

Looks like I will have to find a mate for the new one.

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If anyone can identify the breed of our new goose - would be grateful...
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S(he) is bigger/heavier and has a much thicker neck than our chinese. And gray/blue eyes, which is interesting. Tried to sex it, but is that only possible during the breeding season?

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he is a pure X breed.

Sorry, at a guess some embden in there somewhere but other than that no real consensis.

Is a nice and healthy looking bird :D

Vent sexing can be done all year round.

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Tribe of Honk wrote:
he is a pure X breed.

Sorry, at a guess some embden in there somewhere but other than that no real consensis.

Is a nice and healthy looking bird :D

Vent sexing can be done all year round.

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Thanks Honk! You said he? How do you know? or is that a guess? Guess I need some practice at vent sexing...

So we have a bitsa? :lol: At least the 2 brown chinese are pure...

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Nice looking goose!

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Hmm, i dont really know

He just came out - lol

Looking at the stance, it is quite a dominant stance and at a guess i would sat male, but please note its just a guess.

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Ok, thanks. I just read up on how to PROPERLY do vent sexing, will have another go tomorrow.

So do you think there is some touloue in there somewhere - note the small dewlap visible in picture #2

Any suggestion on the best breed to get as a mate? Or doesn't it matter?

NellyG wrote:
Nice looking goose!


Thanks! We think so too!

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I'm not very goose knowledgable - which bit is the dewlap??

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NellyG wrote:
I'm not very goose knowledgable - which bit is the dewlap??

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It is the flap of skin that hangs down between the beak and the neck. Show quality toulouse have huge dewlaps:
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I would get a talouse.

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Alot of geese get what he has, and it is not really a dewlapp. Its more part of his chin, where his tounge sits. I have numerous birds with is, and certinally no tolouse in them.

The stance ect. is all wrong for toulouse.

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Tribe of Honk wrote:
Alot of geese get what he has, and it is not really a dewlapp. Its more part of his chin, where his tounge sits. I have numerous birds with is, and certinally no tolouse in them.

The stance ect. is all wrong for toulouse.

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OK - cheers! Good to know.

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Well it turns out HE is definitely a HE. So we are looking for a mate for him. Happy to pay reasonable money.

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