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 Post subject: 2013 Rouen Clairs
PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 1:07 pm 
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here's the start of the 2013 ducklings.
young below are from 3 different pairs
only some are correct :sungs so which ones are worng and what's going on :dontknow
i'll come back tonight with a full discription for each pic,,enjoy :mrgreen:
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:think: Bottom one not correct :think:

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 Post subject: Re: 2013 Rouen Clairs
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Just beautiful! Thanks for sharing.

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I'd say that the ones in the second pic and the one in the last pic are all correct. They have down that looks more light phase to me. And the last duckling already has the Rouen type!

That's my guess (with the aid of a book :laughing ).

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 Post subject: Re: 2013 Rouen Clairs
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You have done well there looking good I wish I had some clairs now.

With the last one it looks to have silver colour in it.Now I'm not a colour man , so don't shot me..Me gess is....Did one of the pekin get to the clair???

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 Post subject: Re: 2013 Rouen Clairs
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ok,,,some interesting replys

photo1= two ducklings that look like typical wild types, very strong contrast between the black and yellow, relatively clean division between the colours.
an eye line through the eye and a secondary line below, and the 4 yellow spots on the back are all traits of wild types ducklings..those of you that have rouen should recognize these ducklings as being very close to what you hatch,,and thats because these young are hetrozygotes..they carry 1 dark phase gene and 1 light phase gene, these young will colour in rouen colours, not rouen clair colours,,so therefor are incorrect, but they were a deliberate cross to produce such an outcome and will be used the following year.


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 Post subject: Re: 2013 Rouen Clairs
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photos2&3= are actually the same group of ducklings, from a drake we'd bred and previously bred from and an outsourced duck. while she looks about right for colour she was some what unknown genetically, so we were happy to see these 5 hatch with a high degree of similarity. this is only a small sample, and with more to hatch we'll get a true picture of the parental genotype,,,,BUT,,,,these 5 young are correctly marked for light phase wild type ducklings..they kind of look just like the 2 in the above pic,,but the black isnt as bold,its a shade lighter and the demarcation between the colours is slightly blurred in some area(shoulder), but they still have the 2 eye lines, and 4 spots on the back,,again not as clearly marked as the split dark/light phase above.
bill colour is also slightly lighter


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 Post subject: Re: 2013 Rouen Clairs
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Thanx R&B

But what about the last one (photo) it's not dark phase or is it 2 light phase.I don't know much about clair's.

I was thinking that a white bird got with a dark phase bird making a silver looking duckling.As you can see I'm not a colour man..lol

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Your post beat me!!.lol

With bill colour a white bird over dark phase would make orange bills in the offspring right??

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 Post subject: Re: 2013 Rouen Clairs
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photo4= we actually hatched 5 of these in this first run, and although there's only 1 pictured these 5 young are also identical in markings and colour..
but these look very different,,they have wildtype-ish traits,,but there's only one faint eye line, and a lot of the black areas from the birds in pics 2&3 are washed out with a lot of yellow...this is a result we were expecting,,but its only 1 of a possible 3 outcomes,,just like the above this isnt a big enough sample to get a true understanding of the parental genotype,,but we do know these young are herto wildtype/mallard dusky,,why?,,because we've delibaratly previous produce this outcome and 1 of the parent birds is a proven split wildtype/mallard dusky bird, paired with one of the young from last year. at this point in time this does not tell us if the bird bred last year is pure or not..the combination will produce the young pictured in photo4 and the ones in photo2&3,,if the bird in question turns out to be a hetrozygot like its partner we'll get a 3rd out come not pictured here,,but would be mallarddusky/mallarddusky and the young will hatch a complete shade of brown...so we have a 25% chance or 50% chance of producing the required outcome in photo 2&3 depending on the parental genotype,,at this stage in recreating the breed we dont really need to prove the parental genotype,,all we need to do is hatch enough to get a number of the required outcomes to move forward with the next year.

oh and so there's no confusion :mrgreen: ,,,photo 4 is incorrect


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 Post subject: Re: 2013 Rouen Clairs
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New England Poultry wrote:
Your post beat me!!.lol

With bill colour a white bird over dark phase would make orange bills in the offspring right??


i'd be expecting something similar to the ducklings in photo1,,dark phase is dominant
but we havent put recessive white into a dark phase bird to see if 1 dose has any effect


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 Post subject: Re: 2013 Rouen Clairs
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New England Poultry wrote:

But what about the last one (photo) it's not dark phase or is it 2 light phase.I don't know much about clair's.


no dark phase in that 1 :thumbs:


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Very interesting! I think it's back to class for me :laughing

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 Post subject: Re: 2013 Rouen Clairs
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we'll also point out that when dealing with the light phase,,the duckling in photo4,,will grow out to look very much like the ones in photo3&4.
so if you were to grow this type of bird on you'd need to use some method of identification so that it cant be identified and left out of future mating.
or find a home for them now before they try and hide their true genotype


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 Post subject: Re: 2013 Rouen Clairs
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Fingers crossed that there'll be the first of a few hatching here shortly. :feed
Richard it'd be great to see some pics as yours grow up, especially as the faux RC develops..

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