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PostPosted: Thu Jan 30, 2014 9:18 pm 
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in this topic we're going to have a look at the china brown,
we'll try and high light good aspects, And try and show you a few things to avoid
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in this pic we'll look at the ganders.
front and center we have a 2012 hatch male,
he carry's his chest high, giving him an upright carriage, has a well rounded stern and carry's his tail high.
these are all features you want it this breed. what you don't want is a bird with a horizontal stance and a tail that follows the line of the back and points toward the ground
neck is reasonably long and thin, but this gander lacks a bit of curve, we'd like to see a bit more arch here, so if possible avoid birds with straight necks.
the bird has fair knob development, this feature continues to grow,behind is another gander hatched in 2010 and you can see he has a bigger knob.
we try and keep the white band between the bill and the head to a minimum, the standard says "narrow"..that brings in the aspect of each persons idea of narrow,,yours ours and the judge's idea may be different? the gander at the front has about as much white as we're willing to select for, the gander at the rear is much more to our liking.
you'll notice all these birds have solid black bills and knobs, Avoid birds with patches or a hint of orange in this area,check around the nostrils,the soft tissue under the bill and where the knob meets the white band.
this next feature we select for isn't in the APS2....but we feel it's a very important feature of the true colour.
Cilium or eye-ring (this is the edge or lip of the eye lids) should be dark brown! we'd recommend avoiding birds with an orange eye ring
we'd also stay away from birds with bright-ish orange legs..we've often found birds with brighter orange legs also have an orange cilium, wide-ish white band and hints of orange in the bill.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 30, 2014 9:43 pm 
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front and center is a female hatched 2008..not the best knob on this girl at that age,(house pet used for sitting)directly behind is a 2011 hatched girl with a slightly bigger knob at a younger age
front right is a 2012 female, just a little bump at this stage, we want a little more knob development at this age,,but this is the "project" line that we're breeding up to standard over a few years, this is "new blood" and she is an improvement over her mother. we're bringing in this line to try and fix a couple of things,the project birds have slightly better white fringing on the feather on the flank and wing areas, for some reason they keep thier feathers in better condition and for longer, and they maintain a clean and tight undercarriage. we'll look at the undercarriage in 1 of the next pics.

young-ish gander on the left with a nice thin neck,,spot the orange on the knob??..in this birds case this is scare tissue from fighting through the fence and basically scalping himself while pulling back through..a housing issue,something you might want to consider if showing your birds, we were alittle disapionted when he did this as we'd picked him as a possible show bird for this year.
the standard lists orange in the bill as a "Serious defect" so showing this bird is a waste of time as he should be penalized heavily. but as we hatched that bird and know thats caused from injury we'll keep him for a breeder.
if someone has a bird that your looking at and they tell you the orange is scare tissue your going to have to make your own mind up on that one..


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 30, 2014 9:51 pm 
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theres a couple of birds in this pic you want to try and avoid.
the undercarriage should be nice and neat when viewed from the side, and from the front or behind.
front left, is the house pet from the above pic. the stern(white area behind the legs) has broken down,,you dont want this, and is why we dont use the bird for breeding.
there's also another female in here that is pretty nice but also express's a "serious defect"..can you pick her?


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 30, 2014 10:00 pm 
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did anyone pick out the bird with dual lobes?
here she is from front on,,she's on the left
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not all females do this, and we dont see this happen after the first year of laying. this bird like the house pet from above broke down (or changed) after their second year laying. most females get baggy in this area when laying and nesting,the standard suggest a single fold permissible in laying birds. ideally you want a bird to tighten back up around this time of year.
there's a female behind the dual lobed girl with tail held high, she's a big eggs layer,3 seasons,27,18 and 30+eggs.She's already tightened back up and showing a clean undercarriage
Ganders should never show any baggy-ness in this area..though over feeding can get them rather heavy.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 30, 2014 10:21 pm 
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one last pic,,these are mostly 2013 young.
in this pic we'll have a look at the shape of the head.. there's a couple of birds on the left that show a nice wedge shape and is the type/style we select for.
also in this photo is our pick of the 2013 season. right in the middle there is a young gander, white band on left leg, that even at a week old was much longer in the neck than the others that hatched with him. he stands a head above ganders up to 4 weeks older and is slim and fine in build. The Aust china's are mostly a little short in length of neck when we compared them to those we saw in the UK. or possibly a shorter body would also give the impression of a longer neck.
the standard makes no reference to whats the ideal length of neck to length of body ratio. we're just going to recommend at least a 1:1 ratio,,but the longer the neck the better.
as mentioned above stay away from bright orange legs, and in this pic all are of a smokey,dark,dull orange. they hatch black.
this observation is a bit of a generalization,,but ganders when alert tend to hold their head on a slightly higher elevated angle, where as the female will hold theirs closer to the horizontal.
the pic above this one shows a number of birds that just from head positioning are guaranteed ganders. and when assessing birds hatched at the same time ganders are just that little bit taller. there's also a clear vocal difference when mature. vent sexing though should take out any of the guesswork.

we hope this gives those that want to obtain,breed and show these geese a bit of an idea as to what you ideally want. good luck :^


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 30, 2014 10:39 pm 
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Very interesting! Thanks :)

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 30, 2014 11:12 pm 
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I'm impressed, Needs to be more of this :thumbs:

Would you have time to do the Toulouse in the future ?

That banded gander does stand out by far in that last group


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 30, 2014 11:30 pm 
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the British Waterfowl Standards go into greater detail and i'm going to add in these quotes

"Carriage, upright,body held at about 45 degrees when active,Ganders especially should stand with their heads and tails held high"

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"Tail, carried high in exhibition strain ganders where the wing tips cross over in front of the tail"

first bird pictured has these quality's..


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 12:06 pm 
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Certainly worth waiting for!
Thanks for an informative read, and well illustrated with pics.

We could certainly use more of this for any breeds of waterfowl. It's beneficial to see in pictures things to avoid in birds too. Some of the UK publications have done this, quite comprehensively. Unfortunately this is where i think the APS2 tends to let us down, especially those new to colours or breeds of waterfowl .

A+ effort there :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs:

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 1:36 pm 
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We'll have a few spare boys looking for homes shortly.
and possibly a pair or two for sale also, though any pairs will consist of at least one bird not making our exhibition standard,and more along the lines of
"pet quality" stock, still nice birds for the backyard or farm..any one interested can pm for details.


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Beautiful looking birds!

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 11:49 am 
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Hi There
I looove these birds they are magnificent.....

I have always wanted a couple of geese but Hubby is adamamant the neighbour will not be happy.

We have lots of chookies including a fair amount of roosters and she told us over the fence one day
"I meant to tell you! The roosters!" We are both thinking "here we go" :doh

Her response "Just wanted to tell you I love them - It reminds me of when I was on the farm as a child" :morebow :morebow
My question is! Do these geese need really high fencing on their free range area?
I would clip one wing as I am not into show birds just nice birds.
Are they super noisy?
What is their temperament like?
They would be penned in super safe pens (predator proof) and allowed to freerange for a good amount of time during the day provided they are not going to do a runner :wee

We had common geese on the farm and they had a huge dam and I don't think they ever got locked up
They nested produced lots of goslings (with the occasional fox having his share of eggs and the occasional youngster)
The geese I noticed were very clever with where they nested.

Of course these beauties would be very well cared for....
Any thoughts would be appreciated.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 3:23 pm 
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i've never seen a china fly, they might get a couple of air borne meters in but thats only when running on a slight down hill with a head wind.
dog netting fence 900 high will keep them in most of the time, but if they are really keen to get out they squeeze through about halfway up the fence where the squares get larger.
they are the nosiest domestic geese breed we have here in Aust. but we dont find them too bad, and if you just keep a pair there's generally no others to bicker with. will get vocal if separated and cant see each other.
not as friendly as European breeds, and will stand and hiss at you if you come too close, but its all just a bluff.
easily trained to go back into a night enclosure, and you find they'll head in on their own accord when ready,usually on sun set.
shaking a food tin with grain will get them interested and heading in your direction at will should you need to get them back in the night pen at any stage of the day.

i'd go ask the neighbour if it would bother them first and then work on your hubby


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 10:13 am 
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just a quick look at how one of the 2013 hatched young shaped up.
well sort on the type of some euro and US birds, but for an Aussie birds,,not too bad.
good stance with thin sweeping neck and good knob development..


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A fine looking bird. I love the look of the browns.

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