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PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2014 6:01 pm 
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it's been a bit quiet here in the waterfowl section of late.
so thought we'd preview these birds.
another step towards recreating the Rouen Clair.
this is all that remains from about 35 young,,and from here we'll be trimming down to the 2 ducks and the best two drakes,
and pairing up with unrelated RC's from previous years.
while these young fall short of perfection, they will be extremely valuable in the 2014 breeding,
they need another 1-2 weeks to be fully coloured..
any comments,good, bad or in between most welcome

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2014 6:40 pm 
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They seem lighter bodied than you'd expect from Rouens. I know the standard for RC calls for a lighter weight. Was that deliberate? Did it come through the cross to bring the dilution gene in?


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2014 7:09 pm 
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andrewschooks wrote:
. Was that deliberate? ?

everything we do in producing birds aimed at recreating the breed is deliberate.

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They seem lighter bodied than you'd expect from Rouens. I know the standard for RC calls for a lighter weight.

are you referring to the colour??

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Did it come through the cross to bring the dilution gene in?
no dilution gene in any of these young.

how ever,,2 birds are a breed cross
anyone want to have a go at identifying the hetrozygot birds?
what was crossed?
and their genotype?


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I'm guessing the hets are the two with the neck bands right down the neck?

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2014 8:40 pm 
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The two crosses would be the drakes with coloured flanks? also ooh like they have facial markings as with appleyards so thats my suggestion for the cross.
You might be interested to see a pair of rouen x apple yards i accidentally bred this year, i'll get you some pics on the weekend, they look very close to the clairs with a few indications of the restricted gene

I really like the length of their bodies, very impressive!

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Tommy Armstead wrote:

I really like the length of their bodies, very impressive!

Cheers
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over all size, length of body, and single chevrons on the larger feathers of the female were all key goals for this hatch..these were issues previous hatch's had struggled with.

haven't put them of the scales yet, or measured them, although the standard makes no reference to total length,,we'd like to see them around 90cm,
tip of bill to tip of tail stretched out..

i'll wait and see if we get a few more suggestions before discussing what's what and what was done :mrgreen:


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:fead I'm not allowed to comment :whist

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koljash wrote:
:fead I'm not allowed to comment :whist


feel free to comment,,,just dont give away the answer until others have had fair time to make an assessment and suggestion

as you have a slightly unfair advantage of discussing my breeding privately


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 8:38 am 
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andrewschooks wrote:
Did it come through the cross to bring the dilution gene in?


Andrew...i have added these birds in from Koljash's gallery. these 2 birds are the same as most of the above for colour,,But these do have the inclusion of one of the dilution genes
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and here are a couple of ours from a few years ago,,same as Koljash's birds,,these have 1 dilution gene present
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if your unsure if the bird is carrying a dilution gene,,check the wing speculum,,iridescent blue like in the first 4 pics = no dilution genes present


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 8:48 am 
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Tommy Armstead wrote:
You might be interested to see a pair of rouen x apple yards i accidentally bred this year, i'll get you some pics on the weekend, they look very close to the clairs with a few indications of the restricted gene



myself and i'm sure a few others would be most interested in seeing those birds.
if possible could we have 1 pic included with the wing stretched out..add them in here or start your own topic
cheers..




no one has guessed correctly yet,, those that have had a go,,you may have another..and those of you sitting on the fence watching..come on get involved and have a guess :thumbs: these topics are for educational purposes..if you can learn something about colour from them then everyones a winner


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Aren't RC meant to be trout coloured? Can you explain what is involved in 'development' please?


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 10:07 am 
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andrewschooks wrote:
Can you explain what is involved in 'development' please?


when you start from scratch and attempt to recreate a breed you cant get your hands on you have to develop every aspect of the breed.
we have produced RC coloured birds from a number of cross breeding pairings, introducing colour genes and then removing the unwanted the following year/s.we havent kept a bird from every scenario as some results werent that impressive . Now that we have a small collection of correctly coloured birds from these mating's it time to improve on other aspects.
ie..size and refining the type



andrewschooks wrote:
Aren't RC meant to be trout coloured?


you are correct :thumbs: ...would i be correct in assuming you dont think there are trout coloured birds in the first 4 pics?


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Would you have started with a saxony x rouen?


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 10:36 am 
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They all look kinda-trout to me, but you threw me with your 'no dilution here' comment. I thought trout was a lighter brighter silver colour compared to the normal mallard colouring, hence in my mind a dilution. Then you said no?

As for lighter bodied - I meant lighter in weight - thinner looking, less keel, than a straight Rouen.

As for 'deliberate' I had a good chuckle over your 'everything' comment. There are more things on heaven and earth than everything being 'deliberate'. We'll come back to that idea in ten years time and see what you think.


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Ged&Kel wrote:
Would you have started with a saxony x rouen?



that looks like an educated guess,,and is where i recommend you do start if you cant obtain anything else closer to an RC
we havent actually done that exact cross though,,as we were lucky enough to obtain 1 RC coloured drake a few years ago that was crossed with a saxony duck to produce the Blue version of the RC, which are can be seen in the last picture posted so far.

no saxony used in producing any of the birds in the first 4 pics


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