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 Post subject: Re: Black Crested Ducks
PostPosted: Thu Oct 01, 2015 8:09 am 
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So the black duck with some lighter markings the mother, & the new black drake the father?

The photos look good & show off nicely the crest on the duckling. Some heterozygotes can appear normal as Cr reportedly doesn't exhibit 100% penetrance.

Colour-wise (E) it should be either pure for black, or have one dose. You will be looking forward to see how the duckling grows out I should think.

Some additional information (I find interesting) re: black plumage, as quoted from F. M. Lancaster, 'The Inheritance of Plumage Colour in the Common Duck', p. 346. Note, 'G' was the original symbol assigned by Jaap & Milby for blue dilution (Bl).
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Due to the presence of modifying factors in some breeds and strains there appear to be two different types of black in the duck: -

(1) That of the Black Orpington which is a dull muddy black except for the head, neck and back of the male which ha ve a greenish sheen, and

(2) That of the Black East Indian and Cayuga varieties where the birds carry this irridescent green sheen all over the body and the black is more intense. The male is more brilliant than the female.

When the former type of black is diluted with G it tends to show traces of reddish-brown pigment down the sides and flanks and in extreme cases over the shoulders and wing coverts. This fault is more pronounced in the male. If the second type of black is used the resulting blue shows no trace of "rustiness" in either sex. There is no rustiness present in either the day-o1d or growing duckling of either type, it is only apparent at maturity. Since these rusty birds are pure for extended black (E) and non-brown dilution (D) it is suggested that the brown pigment is due to the presence of genetic modifiers at other loci.

Muscovy Ducks reportedly have two forms of black. One is the wild-type, the other is dusky (Atipico). Dusky doesn't have the brown markings in adult plumage like the wild-type do.

Chickens have more than one form of black base, eg, E & E^R. Both require additional modifiers to produce the right type of black bird.


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 Post subject: Re: Black Crested Ducks
PostPosted: Sun Oct 04, 2015 3:23 pm 
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Yes the parents are the black duck with the bronze/brown marking coming through and the drake I got. I will try get an updated picture of the duck and one of the parents.

They are all growing well and I am really keen for them to start feathering up.

I just had another hatch Tuesday, 4 hatched and I think I got another crested, I am pretty sure i has a little one on one side of its head. I will get some pictures and post them here.

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 Post subject: Re: Black Crested Ducks
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Here are a few pictures, this is the drake and the duck.
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This a picture of the duckling, it would be a little over 2 weeks old. It has singed its crest on a heat lamp so it appears a little smaller
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 Post subject: Re: Black Crested Ducks
PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 10:51 am 
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nice duckling, i am looking forward to seeing your progress


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 Post subject: Re: Black Crested Ducks
PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 11:42 am 
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Nice photos of your birds. It will be interesting to see how your ducklings grow out from that pair. The duck appears darker than I recall. The crest on the duckling is very obvious @ this stage.


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 Post subject: Re: Black Crested Ducks
PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 12:55 pm 
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I'm very ignorant about ducks. Is a 'Black Crested Duck' a black duck with a crest, a duck with a black crest or both please?


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 Post subject: Re: Black Crested Ducks
PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 12:58 pm 
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A black crested duck is both, a black duck that has a black crest.

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 Post subject: Re: Black Crested Ducks
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Thank You. Next Question - Breed/Type?


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 Post subject: Re: Black Crested Ducks
PostPosted: Sat Oct 10, 2015 12:12 pm 
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So Crested is the breed and it has its own standard. All the standardised colours in the APS 2 are allowed to be shown but crested ducks have their own standard for type.

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 Post subject: Re: Black Crested Ducks
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Thank you. Didn't think to look in APS2. Mine falls open automatically at softfeather.


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 Post subject: Re: Black Crested Ducks
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what type of chickens are these?


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 Post subject: Re: Black Crested Ducks
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An update on the project. Unfortunately I lost the duck I was using for breeding this year. I still only had the one crested duckling out and had about 15 eggs from her. There are still a few more to hatch next week and I have only got two crested ducklings out including the one posted further up on this thread so hopefully I get a few more.

The duckling posted above has turned out to be a female but has some brown leakage sowing in her breast. I kept 3 of her sisters from the same hatch and 2 have turned out pure black so hopefully I have a few crested ones that end up pure black. Here is an updated photo of her.
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Her with some of the other young ducks
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Here is a picture of the newly hatched duckling. Hopefully it ends up pure black
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 Post subject: Re: Black Crested Ducks
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you missed a spot when you were giving the chook a hair cut, right on the top of its head.


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 Post subject: Re: Black Crested Ducks
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that's a funny looking beak on that chook

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 Post subject: Re: Black Crested Ducks
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Thanks for the update, jarvispryor. Bit of a shame about the brown coming through. Maybe one dose of E (black) only. Would still be worth breeding from her, to a black bird, in the hope of getting some with two doses of E and also hopefully full black coverage.

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