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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2016 12:39 pm 
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Hi everyone, the Saxony duckling in the middle is alot lighter than the other 3, is it common for a bit of variation in the ducklings or is it possible that duckling only has one dose of blue?


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2016 9:23 pm 
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One dose of blue would make a darker duckling.

I would say it's possibly natural variation. Be interested to see how this one looks once all the adult feathers have come in.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2016 7:37 am 
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We have been breeding Saxony ducks for quite a few years now & the lighter ducklings are a regular thing in our hatchings.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2016 12:57 pm 
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Should of realised that thanks Rach! Is it possible these lighter ducklings were the Apricot-Silver ducks that you had pop up Blucalypt? Or did the lighter ones just turn out the same as the rest of the clutch?

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2016 1:23 pm 
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No this year is the first we have had any of those silvers pop up, the lighter ducklings have always been there, they just colour up like normal Saxony ducks & drakes.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2016 11:08 am 
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Thanks for that Blucalypt! Have you ever successfully gotten a Saxony to hatch out any eggs? I know its not common for them to. My saxony sat for about 20 days then we had a fox attack a muscovy that kept getting out at night so I locked the drake and other saxony up with her and she got off. We managed to save about 8 eggs that are going strong in the incubator.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2016 8:06 am 
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No, but we have never tried using one as a broody. Most of the mallard derived ducks make fairly flighty setters, we have had both Cayuga & Black East Indies ducks hatch their own though.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2016 12:36 pm 
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I think its sad that alot of poultry has lost the ability to sit. I think its all well and good to visually get a bird back to standard and i can see how hard everyone works to improve that but how would you even go at getting a specific breed back to its original breed behaviour if its lost qualities like sitting? I understand some behaviour traits like Docility cant be used to describe a breed as thats more of an individual trait but take Wyandottes for example broodiness is well known in Wyandottes if they over time lost their broodiness could you still consider them the same breed?

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 7:32 pm 
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I would expect that there's a tension between egg laying ability and broodiness. You can't be great at both. The more a bird wants to stop laying and sit, the less they are going to lay over the year. Many breeds have been subject to selection for laying ability, so I guess that selects against broodiness/sitting ability.

I think that part of the issue is as Blucalypt says - it's also that ducks are flighty sitters and are easily disturbed - much more so than chickens. It's harder to accommodate a broody duck in most domestic situations where you don't want them sitting in the communal nest or hatching ducklings in with a drake or other ducks, but it's just about impossible to move them successfully.

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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2016 12:35 pm 
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I suppose your right Rach. It all feels a little immoral though don't you think? Chickens get ovarian cancer more than any other species. Surely that's because we have increased their egg laying ability? most flocks produce more eggs than can be consumed by an average family so its only industry that need increased egg layers anyway and that's got to a point where eggs just about run out before the chickens do certainly the industry's need of them does. I guess it just depends on what you use poultry for i wouldn't mind if my Pekins went broody or my Saxonys completed a sit at the expense of a few eggs though! I understand peoples preference of a controlled environment for incubation because it certainly helps and i understand that without gene modifications we wouldn't even have half the breeds,colours we have now i just wish natural behaviour wasn't getting lost along the way. Seeing a Chicken or Duck with babies and how those ducklings/chicks behave with mum compared to an incubation brood is very different.

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PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2016 8:45 pm 
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Yes, I do agree... I'd sacrifice some eggs to be able to have reliable broody ducks.

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PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2016 4:40 pm 
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I ended up putting a leg band on the two lightest ducklings and they both ended up female! Will have to continue banding the ducklings legs in the future to tell if iv'e stumbled on to something here but Saxonys have been pretty easy to sex so far as you can see the claret colour difference pretty early on! I added a photo of all the ducklings after merging the younger ones seems to me like 5 ducks and 5 drakes! :duck2


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PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2016 12:39 pm 
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That's a good number of females. I seem to end up with mostly males! Good plan to keep track of what happens with the lighter colouring. Thanks for the update :)

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 1:18 pm 
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Im really surprised how lucky i have been with ducks so far! Chickens are another story though :biggrin:

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