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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2015 12:36 am 
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I've got fertile eggs from these 2 birds... I've bred Guinea / Chicken Hybrids and they are very unusual birds. If they inherit their fathers beard will be very cool. First 2 fertile eggs under a pair of racing pigeons and the next 2 eggs under a bantam... odd as her first 30 or so eggs were clear, but now all of a sudden fertile.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2015 5:32 am 
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They are called guinhens and are mules and cannot reproduce.
The ones I did looked a bit like little turkeys and were excellent eating. You will find that a rooster will mate with a female guinea fowl but not the other way round.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2015 6:58 am 
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I've had ring neck pheasant x chicken hybrids before.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2015 7:30 am 
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Yes I know. I like the fact they can't breed on as that would be detrimental to polluting either parent species genetics. These Ringneck Pheasant hybrids are also infertile. I do know of a couple Guinea / Chicken hybrids that were Guinea Cock over Chicken hen, but yes much, much rarer. Here are some of my Guinea /Chicken hybrids, these are Malay Rooster over Guinea hens.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2015 7:32 am 
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andrewschooks wrote:
I've had ring neck pheasant x chicken hybrids before.

Any pics? And what was the parent combo? I find it so interesting the fact it can happen is amazing.

Its close to 40 years ago, it was a Rhode Island Red bantam rooster over a ringneck pheasant hen I think. The chick grew up to be red and intermediate-looking between the parents.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2015 9:47 am 
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One of my animal-geneticist mates calls them 'hopeful monsters'. It seems that some distant hybrids have played a part in speciation in the past. Even hybrids that are thought to be 100% sterile are sometimes extremely-rarely not-sterile, so can contribute to development of a new species. Non-African populations of humans, for example, have been found to contain 3 to 5% neanderthal genes indicating that the mixing of the genepools happened after Homo sapiens left Africa. Geneticists have been able to identify that the initial hybrids most likely had fertility problems that were overcome in later generations.

So whilst the concept of species has the idea of separate-ness of the genepools at its core, often species in new situations or environments will engage in the generation of hopeful monsters. Most of which are of course sterile.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2015 10:56 am 
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These hybridization experiments are a fascinating insight into speciation. Presumably the various species have relatively recent common ancestry.
I am also intrigued by human evolution Andrew. Not that long ago it was commonly held that neanderthals and modern humans had not hybridized. Another fairly recent development has been the discovery of denisovans as a previously unknown species whose genes are apparently evident in Melanesian and other races including I think indigenous Australians.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 28, 2015 4:48 pm 
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difference here is these things aren't even the same genus and their last common ancestor between the gamefowl was prob 10million-15million years ago (earliest Gallus species are from the late Miocene/Early Pliocene around 5-6million years ago) "Humans" of genus Homo have only been around for 2 million. Having chook/guinea chook/pheasant etc. would be like Human/Gorilla hybrids considering how long they've been split for.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 28, 2015 5:44 pm 
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Indeed! But strange things happen occasionally.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 9:36 am 
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6 of the 9 "Cheasants" growing well, 2 of the 9 have beards like their father.
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Oh wow. How exciting!

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 10:30 am 
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Thanks for the update; they do look nice and healthy!

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