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PostPosted: Thu Jan 30, 2020 5:29 pm 
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HI All,
Just looking for a bit of advice on egg reproductive disease and a couple of other questions.

Long story short, I had a chicken die last week (bright blue/green bile-like poo, slow and sluggish, not eating, crop not emptying but not sour, comb turned yellowish and face swelled a bit at the end). I set her aside from the others and tried to do what I could but I could tell there was no recovery. The day after she died I noticed another of my hens was starting to show similar symptoms (very slow, not getting off the perch, no interest in food, crop not emptying, pale comb.) I was worried I was getting some kind of outbreak running through my pen (only 6 hens now) and decided to take this one to an avian vet to try to stop it early on.

The vet doesn't think the current sick hen and the one that died a few days ago are related - which seems a little odd to me but maybe we are just unlucky. She did a cloaca exam and pulled out a crushed egg shell. A few minutes later my hen laid an egg on the vet table - it was pretty small and shell-less, just a membrane. The vet thinks she has egg reproductive disease and said that it will continue on throughout the rest of her life with a high chance of another soft egg breaking inside and becoming infected in the near future. The vet suggested that I have a hormone device implanted into this hen to stop all egg production - it costs $140 (plus $160/vet visit) and needs to be replaced every 5 months. All up it would cost about $600/ year, which I just can't justify...

The vet also found some worms in my hens droppings - she didn't say what kind, something tiny. It's just coming up to the time I need to worm them again now so she didn't seem concerned by that too much. She did suggest a wormer tablet (it's called Worm Out for anyone interested) rather than the water based one I usually use as you know for sure that each chicken has been wormed with the right dose.

Anyway, My hen is now on 1/4 tablet of Mobic 7.5mg Meloxicam to maintain her temperature and pain (this has made a huge difference, her colour comes back and she starts eating again not long after a dose, but is back to her sick-self about 8 hours later when it's time for another dose). And antibiotic Amoxyclav 250mg twice a day to treat any infection.

I have a few questions -
1. if it is reproductive disease, is there anything that can be done to help this hen that doesn't involve hormone therapy?

2. I wormed all of my hens last night with the Worm Out tablets, this morning under their perches I noticed 3 soft shelled eggs dropped below. Could a wormer cause this or is there any disease that can cause reproductive issues like this? I very occasionally notice a soft egg but it was weird to see this many in one night.

3. Aside from going to a vet, is there a way to purchase pain/fever medication, and antibiotics for chickens that I could keep on hand just in case I do have another flare up?

Thanks so much for your help!

Age: 3yrs
Breed: Maran cross
Sex: F

Your Location- country, state (different areas/climates have different problems)
ANSWER: Dandenong ranges Vic

What is wrong? What symptoms have you noted? - As much detail as possible please.
ANSWER:very slow, not getting off the perch, no interest in food, crop not emptying, pale comb, soft shelled eggs

What are you feeding? - Please list everything you're feeding to your birds, including type of basic feed, free ranging, scraps, extras, etc. If possible give approximate percentages.
ANSWER:
Barastoc Golden Yolk pellets. They do free range some afternoons, and have a few kitchen scraps (non-mouldy veggies) or cooked eggs a couple of times a week.

Full droppings description.- colour, consistency, frequency, offensive smell.
ANSWER: For the current sick hen - watery, clear with a few white parts that get caught in her feathers around the vent. Very minimal droppings as she isn't eating anything.

Respiratory Changes?- eg. breathing sounds, discharge, laboured breathing, facial swelling
ANSWER:
No

Digestive Changes?- eg. eating, drinking, crop filling & emptying
ANSWER:
Not eating, crop not emptying - but doesn't smell sour.

Condition Changes?- eg. Weight, comb/wattle colour, skin, feathering
ANSWER:
Pale comb, feathers a bit puffed up

Behavioural Changes?- inc. socialising, laying, crowing, broodiness
ANSWER:
Sitting quietly by herself. She tries to follow the others but gives up.

Agility Changes? - eg. any lameness, favouring, energy levels
ANSWER:
Low energy.

Describe your usual worming routine and products. [If none, say so and skip the next 3 worming questions.] Do you have a cycle that you use eg. every 3 months, or every six months?
ANSWER:
every 3 months - just coming up to time now. I usually use Big L

1. When was the bird last wormed??- approximate date.
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2. What product was used to worm the bird, and how was it given? ? eg. in the drinking water, on the skin, by injection?
ANSWER:
Drinking water

3. Was a follow up dose given? (eg. 10-14 days later)
ANSWER:
no - didn't realise this was something I should do?

Any other recent medications?- antibiotics, coccidiosis meds, herbal remedies, etc
ANSWER:

Other changes? – additions to the flock, diet, housing, extreme weather
ANSWER:

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 16, 2020 7:15 am 
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Sorry you have had a difficult time lately. (Also sorry you may not like my answers).

1. if it is reproductive disease, is there anything that can be done to help this hen that doesn't involve hormone therapy?

If you can't proceed with hormone therapy the kindest thing is to put her down rather than wait for a long slow death.

2. I wormed all of my hens last night with the Worm Out tablets, this morning under their perches I noticed 3 soft shelled eggs dropped below. Could a wormer cause this or is there any disease that can cause reproductive issues like this? I very occasionally notice a soft egg but it was weird to see this many in one night.

Soft shelled eggs are common in very hot conditions, which many of us have been experiencing. Any kind of stress can increase the chances or numbers of soft shelled eggs, worming them could definitely stress them, especially since they probably had a worm burden as Big L does not treat all types of worms.

3. Aside from going to a vet, is there a way to purchase pain/fever medication, and antibiotics for chickens that I could keep on hand just in case I do have another flare up?

Not really, most effective analgesics are prescription only and antibiotics sold over the counter tend to have been used so much most bacteria are resistant.

Apologies for not being able to be more helpful.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 16, 2020 10:05 am 
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Ask your friends, neighbours and relatives if they have any leftover antibiotics, most people do. You're looking for amoxycillin or cephalexin, different brand names just look on the packets. Last time I asked I got plenty.

I've got a favourite bird at the moment on tabs for egg yolk peritonitis, she's coming good. you have to catch it early.

As you have found out it's way too expensive to be taking birds to the vets every time there's something wrong, especially when 75% of the time they have no more idea than you what's wrong with the bird.

Main problems in birds in my experience are crop problems, impacted or sour, trichmoniasis, worms and egg yolk peritonitis. Plenty of advice on here on how to deal with crop problems and the other two you will need antibiotics although different ones.

Best piece advice I can give you is to have a good visual inspection of your birds every day, you'll soon pick up if one of them is sick. Usually too late if they are hunched up in the corner with their eyes closed. As Kirane said they hide the intial stages of sickness quite well.

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