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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 1:42 am 
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Yuck...

Ok I just discovered THE WORST infestation of lice I have ever seen, on a little belgian.
They hid well, at the base of the feather shafts on the skin.
They are a pale brown - cream and crawl around fast.

I bathed her in a dog flea wash, its all I had and they ran around more but were not dying. so I sprayed her with a lice and mite spray for birds and soaked her with it, and they started dying and rubbing off. I had to gett a paper towl and rub some off.

It was SHOCKING. I feel awful I didn't know she had them. She hadnt been right... but I looked before and didn't see any.

And of course they decided to jump on my and crawl up my arms.

I will have to do every bird, and now myself :S

What is the best stuff to use?

Moxydectin?

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If you use the Moxidectin.. put it into the drinking water don' put it onto the skin... it may not work

I personally use Pyrethrum... also known as Permethrin... I mix it 10ml to a litre of water... and spray the birds... then clean the coop and nest boxes and remove all nesting material..and destroy it ... and spray the entire coop with the Pyrethrum.... ceiling.. walls.. roosts.. nest boxes.. the lot

And make sure the birds do not go to sleep in a wet coop or that they are wet...

I always spray my birds...I never dip them... this way the mixture is mixed in the spray container and not floating on top of water

I spray the vent area really well... always to the skin

I spray the back to the skin
I spray the under side of the bird to the skin..and under the wings to the skin

I NEVER spray the head... even a small drizzle of any insecticide can do damge to the birds

And if the infestation is really bad... I spray them again in a week ... same thing again.. coop etc

I don't worry about trying to remove the build up around the base of the feathers... I figure that the pyrehtrum has soaked into them and they are dead... if not the second or third spray will get them when they hatch

If I have Moxidectin.... I treat them with the drinking water and don't spray the birds ... and also clean and spray the coop and nest boxes

And I then treat them again in 2 weeks time with Moxi .. again in the drinking water... then I check them in 4 weeks .. and if I see even one louse... I treat them and the coop again

Once they are gone.... I then do a clean up of the coop as needed.. nothing less than at least once a week.. and I spray the coop once a month.. eveyrthing

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 9:04 pm 
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Good news is the coop isnt finished yet and the birds are too young, most are still in plastic cages, and the rest a basic bunny hutch at night only.

So I wont put them in the new coop till the lice are gone.

But since mine free range, I think the lice will come back...

Is anything effective at keeping them off... like ivamectin?
I thought moxi spotted on would work... they put it in dogs advocate spot on.

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I have used Frontline on my hens to get rid of external parasites - it is not registered for poultry but it works well on my dogs and in desperation I used it on the girls one year and I haven't had fleas or lice since as it breaks the breeding cycle. I bought it from a stock feed place, 500ml spray bottle=$80, one good squirt on the back between the wings, bottle lasts for years. Ivomec cattle pour-on is the other thing I have used successfully, just a few drops same place. Both involve catching and treating every hen although I have wound the nozzle on the spray bottle up and boxed the guinea fowl in a corner and gave them each a long distance squirt with the Frontline when I couldn't catch them.

Lice are nearly always brought in if your hens have been lice-free before so religiously treat everything you buy in even if they look parasite free.

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I thought those little brownish coloured lice you are describing aren't blood suckers.Therefore things like moxidectin etc won't be effective.They supposedly feed off flaked skin and feather dander.I have never had good results by spraying or dosing with any of the drench products.The only way I can keep them under control is to dip every bird.Quite a big job when you have over 100 birds as I do.Good news is they can't survive on humans or in bedding etc.So if you can get them off the birds that should be enough.They will most likely return.I like to do my birds 2 or 3 times a year. :D :D


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I think all lice are blood suckers
http://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/index.jsp?cfile=htm/bc/204708.htm

This explains how they do it so the moxy should work. I really like this site.

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Hi Ginny,
I'm not arguing with you Cause I'm not sure but mine never disappear just by using Moxidectin Etc alone.I found this info a while back
http://www.users.on.net/~greggles/pest.html
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I agree... just using a moxidectin will not kill the lice cycle.. you have to use a good insecticide as well as the moxidectin

this is why I use either Moxidectin... or I just use the Pyrethrum or Permethrin and use a hand held spayer to do the coop and my birds.. works really well

If I use the spray I just use something else later on to do the worming

I don't like dipping... I spoke to a battery place... they spray also... and they said you don't have to soak the entire birds.. only make sure you really get the vent area wet to the skin... and under wings... along back to skin and under the birds abdomen area...

Using a sprayer its really easy to do this... it does take a bit longer than just dipping...

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 4:29 pm 
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Actually I have never used the oral moxy. As we have cattle we always have the ivomec/dectomax/paramax pour-on on hand and they are specifically for external parasites as well as internal worms. The pour-on type has always worked for me, unlike the malaban and malawash which the stock feed shop recommended. I did also clean the sheds, perches and ground with a gas weed burner which I reckon wiped out everything off the birds at the same time so I would agree with you that a combination of actions is best and most effective.

Those lice can be a real bugbear to get rid of. My main problem has been the stickfast fleas as they live well in the ground for some months so very hard to totally eliminate.

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I vissetted a large belgian breeder yesterday to assess the quality of my 9 cockerels ( I only keep 4 or 5, dont want to upset the neighbours)he noticed lice & there eggs on my birds.He uses ivomec EPRINEX a pour-on for beef & dairy cattle (withholding period for cattle milk & meat are nil)
Put 1 drop on there back & 1 drop on the inside of each hock it will take care of any internal & external parasites even scalley leg. I rang pet barn & 4 of my nearest produces, none carry the product but they can all get it in. About $70 for 250 ml but has over 2 year shelve life. I get mine on friday so next week I'll tell you how it went.
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Wow and I thought I had to pay through the nose. I buy it in 20-25lt packs and it costs me over $2500 which I thought was bad enough but then we go through a bit of it. On poultry you don't need much as the recommended rate for cattle is 1ml per 10kg body weight ie: 0.2ml per 2kg of chook and check the withholding as only Eprinex and Cydectin have nil withholding on cattle.

Hope your lice are controlled soon. :)

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 8:27 pm 
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Hi Ginny

Stick fast fleas..... with your finger rub some olive oil onto them... be gentle and check the eye lids.. that's where they love to get and will and can send a bird blind...

You will find if you treat the area and do this to the birds... the olive oil will actually kill the fleas on the birds within 24 hours.. so it gives you time to treat the area without worrying that they are going to cause major damage before you get rid of them

Also check
1. Eye lids
2. Tips of wings
3. Combs
4. Wattles
5. Along neck and any area that is bare of feathes...

The above is where they congregate the most

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