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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:44 pm 
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Hi everyone,

this might seem a little far fetched, but, i have heard that if you keep a female white turkey with your chooks, you will not get Mareks disease in your young stock. She has to be female, and has to be white. Is this true?! Or have i been had on? lol :?

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Nick.

P.S. this is a great forum for us chook people lol, only new to it but i'm loving it so far! :)

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No-I dont think it has any truth to it :lol: ...

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Nick, Let me guess , an old bloke that has had fowls all his life, told you this? Far be it for me to doubt the wise! Logically I can't see why it would be so, BUT sometimes there isn't a lot of logic in poultry . I would doubt this the case .


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:57 pm 
Hehehe same as you can buy black and white chequerd paint in the 1 can from any paint store.....sorry but sounds a heap of hogswash to me as well but hey some superstitions are believed so much that really who is anyone to know what the cosmos really sends out...bit like Karma...damned if u do and damned if you don't :wink:

I'd errr on the sensible though


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feel free to correct me if im wrong but i belive the theory goes something like:

turkies carry a virus which is harmless to ckhickens but will use them as a host

mareks disease is caused by a viral infection upon hatching

infection with the turkey virus upon hatching will provide a chick with immunity to mareks

to prevent mareks a turkey egg can be hatched in a batch of chicken eggs, or a lump of turkey dropping placed in the incubator as a source of the turkey virus

also im not sure but i think the mareks vaccine is produced from the turkey virus

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Wonder if it is like the canary the miners take down the mine with them
:lol: ...sorryI dont mean to poke fun....:lol:

I have a white turkey hen living with my hubby's RIR....

No mareks either... :wink:

Thanks AB for clearing up the basis of the "Old Wives Tale"

Is sometime a very good source of wisdom the old Wives or farmers Tales...

Only contradictory thing is that most Turkey breeders tell you not to house the 2 breeds together....

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lol i thought it sounded too good to be true. AB, your explaination sounds very simalar to what i've heard, but i think it may well be an old wives tale that has no proof!

...and yes, it was from an old bloke who's had chooks forever and a day!

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 9:32 pm 
i can see the logic in this.

poultry Marek's vaccine is supposed to be a live turkey virus.

a female turkey is a lot less aggressive than a tom.

white birds maybe more susceptable than other colours to turkey Marek's.

if the turkey was from a flock of turkeys that were infected with turkey Marek's then why shouldn't she pass the virus to the chickens thus causeing immunity but not death.

i mean there are arguments to say why the turkey couldn't but the logic behind this argument is quite agreeable to me.
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Nick wrote:
i think it may well be an old wives tale that has no proof!


the fact that the turkey herpes virus will give a chick immunity to mareks has been scientifically proven and the vaccine for mareks is infact that virus. its like how the cow pox virus gives immunity to small pox - this discovery ment that small pox could be prevented by giving an injection of cow pox

however chickens can give turkeys blackhead, which is why it is not recomended that they be kept together, and keeping a turkey with chickens might not be very succesful, unless it began at day old, as mareks is contracted early in life

another stratergy that ive heard is to run turkeys with the chooks and hatch turkey chicks with chickens so that eventually every chook is carrying the turkey herpes virus so there is no source of mareks. i know someone who has done this and ever since he started breeding turkeys has never had a single case of mareks, unlike his neighbor who throws out garbage bags full of young birds every year that are killed by mareks

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 11:48 pm 
that is an interesting thought too AB. but then again, how easy is it for the strain of Marek's virus to jump the species barrier? injecting concentrated live vaccine maybe different to inhaling low levels of shedded virus? but then the species are fairly closely related.

then with the farmer who didn't have the problems with the Marek's perhaps his techniques in breeding chickens differed too?

k. :idea:


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