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PostPosted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 11:52 am 
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Cocci? or have they already been treated??
I have included pics so can any one tell me if they have alredy been treted or not??
First instincts

- Check the general appearance of the individual birds and flock on a whole
Note anything that stands out as abnormal to you

Flock History and changes

- Have you acquired any new birds lately?
If Yes – when?
I only got these birds (faverolles) last sunday bought from auction
- Anything new happen?
Stresses
Moves
possibly stressed due to new environment
- Any other birds in flock with same similar symptoms?
Now the only sympton I have is the poo
In the past

- Previous/continuing medication? (eg. worming, coccidiosis, antibiotics)
What is/was the medication
When was it given
How was it administered (water, food, injection)
was going to worm them today now not sure if I should?
The Patient
I have 1 rooster 3 hens not sure which one is responsible for poo, going to post this then watch for a bit.
- Specifics:
Breed Faverolle
Age young I think rooster has not started to crow yet.
Hen/cock
New to your flock
Previous illness/injury
Symptoms began
I only noticed this morning( feb 14)

- Check the droppings:
Colour white/brown with a thick mucosy large red patch
Consistency normal
Frequency not sure yet
Smell dosn't seem to be any different from normal

- Check the temperament:
Huddled no
Ruffled feathers no
Drooping no
Depressed no
Discomfort no
In pain no

they are still eating scratching around I have only had a week to observe them but in that week there has been no change
- Check the condition:
Looking poorly no
Recent weight change no
Prominent breastbone the breast bone seems to be more prominent than I thought it should be only new at this though.

- Check the behaviour:
Drinking as normal
Eating as normal
Crowing haven't started yet though the hens talk to me when i am with them
Laying (inc. frequency and quality) not laying
Socialising as per normal I think

- Check for injury:
Swellings no
Heat no
Stilted gait no
Bruising no
Favouring no

- Check the legs and feet:
Swelling no
Growths no
Scaliness no
Redness no
Cuts one had a small amount of blood on foot feathers
when I got her all good now
- If they are immobile, do they have grip on their feet when you rub their feet as if to perch?

- Check the comb and wattles:
Pox no
Scabs no
Red or dark discoloration no
Paleness they are pale not sure if that is because of breed type
Shrunken no

- Check the feathers, and the shafts:
Lice no
Mites no
Eggs no
Broken feathers no
Bald patches no

they do seem to preen a lot there are a lot of feathers in pen thought they may be moulting?
- Check the skin:
Tears no
Blood no
Rashes no
Mottling no
Dryness no

- Check and listen for respiratory symptoms:
Snicking not sure what this is
Gurgling no
Wheezing no
Gasping no
Coughing no
Sneezing no
Head shaking no
Panting (normal in hot weather) no

- Check for discharge from eyes, nostrils, and beak: no
Colour
Bubbly
Frothy
Cheesy
Smelly
Crusty

- Check the eyes:
Swollen no
Sunken in no
Bright and wide open yes
Dull looking and closed no
Turned at all no
Staring straight ahead no
Normal colour for the breed yes
Pupils a normal shape yes
Shading/cloudy/grey patches no

- Check the mouth:
Cankers no
Plaque no
Swellings no
Discolour no
Bad breath ?

The Environment

- Do you have any other poultry yes
- If yes, do they share the same roaming area, sleeping area, drinking water, feed etc. no

- Check the feed:
How old puchased last week
Mould no
Contaminates no
Rodent activity yes
Recent feed changes possibly not sure what they were fed before they seem to pick out the wheat they are being fed on barastoc poutry grain mix and layers pellets

- Check the water:
Town or tank town
Algae build up nil
Chemical leak nil
Water source dried up nil

- Check the pen/house/yard/run:
Possible poisons nil
Decomposing food nil
Animal carcases nil
Chemicals nil
Access to household waste nil
Ventilation good
Droppings build up (excess ammonia) no
Temperature ?
Litter – wet, dusty dry
Roost/nest too high they dont roost huddle together on floor at night

I haven't had this breed before not sure of all their traits yet.
poo pics to follow

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 12:07 pm 
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pic 3 a normal poo in the same pen
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 1:19 pm 
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Hi there,

Cocci is rampant at the moment.If they are only young birds they probably need to be on Pullet starter,the next size up from chick bits..Pullet starter does have a coccistat medicine in it and does give some protection from cocci.Layer pallets I dont think have any cocci meds in them.From experience I would be putting them on Sulphaquin for a couple of days which will not hurt.As you have no real symptoms except the poo that is a good thing.Dont wait for the symptoms as sometimes it is too late.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 1:37 pm 
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I know that worming can stress a bird, but if they are alert and energetic, I would do it. What product are you using?

That's not fresh red blood in the dropping, it looks to me like there's some old damage to the intestinal wall and it's sloughing off the dead tissue with a bit of mucousy weeping. It might even be something it's eaten. It would be good to know if this is a one-off dropping, or if this is happening regularly. Sometimes birds of this age can be dealing with coccidiosis, but not showing a lot of behavioural symptoms. Sometimes they get over it themselves over time, sometimes they require some medication to support them. I would watch them carefully, taking note of whether you see any blood, or any mucousy droppings again. You obviously have them quarantined at the moment. Worm them, watch the droppings carefully, then decide about the Sulphaquin. It would be worth putting them on newspaper, particularly at night time so you get to see the early morning droppings. If you see another dropping like this, or if you see any hunched chickens with necks pulled in, or if you are concerned at all, then give them the Sulphaquin.

How old are they? You say the rooster hasn't started to crow yet, so I'm guessing 4-5 months?


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 1:54 pm 
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I'm not sure how old they are but there are pics in this thread


viewtopic.php?f=10&t=7970334&p=220080&e=220080
not sure if I copied that right.
Because of the poo I was wondering if maybe they had possibly been already treated?/? I did notice that it wasn't fresh blood I tried to check out all the poo pics to help me figure it out. Was going to puchase new wormer this arvo (the old one was out of date).Is there one tht is better than others.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 2:01 pm 
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They are absolutely gorgeous. They're not that young, so they should already have a reasonable immunity. Perhaps moving to a new housing arrangement has introduced them to a new strain. They could have a low level infection, they could also have worms.

I like moxidectin for worming. There is a lot of information about worms and worming in the A-Z stickies.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 2:26 pm 
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Thank you....they are lovely aren't they :)
I get so much enjoyment just watching them. Thanks for your replies :mrgreen:

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 11:42 am 
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Can you post more pictures of the droppings on a daily basis for the next 3 days please..

That way we can get a better look at what is happening.. if it is cocci good to catch it early .. and the pictures will be able to tell us what we need to help you..

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 8:00 pm 
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Can do Sandy,
I though all seemed ok with this lot they were wormed today, they all seem to be as active as they have been :)
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let me know what you think............thanks

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 12:19 am 
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They look good... was just a bit concerned it may have been a start of something .. but those pictures of the droppings are good .. nothing is wrong.. thank you for posting them..

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 9:28 am 
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Thanks Sandy much relief here now.

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