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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 2:48 pm 
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Hi, i have a very sick isabrown that hasn't eaten in 3 days but sits near her water dish and drinks alot. She has watery poos with sometime green to black in them. She sit with her eyes shut and has shallow breathing. She has been inside for the last 3 days and now i just felt her crop and it is harder than the other chicks. Her comb is going blueish in colour. Can anyone help... Caz


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 2:52 pm 
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Caz, can you go to the top of the Good Samaritan Medical Centre and find a sticky called 'Basic Checklist for the Sick Bird'. Copy the questions in there and paste them in a post here and answer them. Give details about her diet as well, and photos if you have them.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 3:43 pm 
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BASIC CHECK LIST FOR THE SICK BIRD
Please answer these brief questions below, so we can help you as soon as possible.

Age: Not sure as we rescude for 5 months ago as she was dumped in a car park
Breed: isabrown
Sex: hen

Your Location- country, state (different areas/climates have different problems)
ANSWER: Central Coast nsw

What is wrong? What symptoms have you noted? - As much detail as possible please.
ANSWER: She never moves. tail down feathers down. now head down alot tot. this is now the 4th day. Doesn't eat but drinks alot. sits near drink bowl. She is inside and being kept warm.

Full droppings description.- colour, consistency, frequency, offensive smell.
ANSWER: very watery - sometimes black to olive green inside watery part. very smelly at 1st

Respiratory Changes?- eg. breathing sounds, discharge, laboured breathing, facial swelling
ANSWER: shallow breathing, sometimes you can hear her

Digestive Changes?- eg. eating, drinking, crop filling & emptying
ANSWER: no eating.. heaps of drinking. Her crop is small but hard

Condition Changes?- eg. Weight, comb/wattle colour, skin, feathering
ANSWER: she has lost weight and her comb is going blueish colour in parts

Behavioural Changes?- inc. socialising, laying, crowing, broodiness
ANSWER: she layed a egg yesterday but was round and alot smaller than usual

Agility Changes? - eg. any lameness, favouring, energy levels
ANSWER: lameless

Describe your usual worming routine and products. [If none, say so and skip the next 3 worming questions.] Do you have a cycle that you use eg. every 3 months, or every six months?
ANSWER: none



Any other recent medications?- antibiotics, coccidiosis meds, herbal remedies, etc
ANSWER:no

Other changes? – additions to the flock, diet, housing, extreme weather
ANSWER: no

Photos? – any relevant photos are very helpful
INSERT HERE:

i will try to copy and paste some photos

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 3:48 pm 
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Photos need to be resized to under 100kb, then uploaded to the gallery. Then you post the link from under the photo in the gallery in a post here.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 3:50 pm 
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Hi, i forgot to mention that she has been on layer mash. plus she eats the pullet finisher from the younger girls cage. She is free range in my back yard for most of the day with both pens open. Hers which she shares with 2 rabbits (she loves them). and the silkies pens which she goes in 1st thing to eat their food. caz

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 5:36 pm 
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The problem with the photo upload was that the format was bitmap and they were too big. I reformatted them in Paint and reduced the size. Here they are. Will comment later. Have guests atm.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 5:39 pm 
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I can see she's emaciated. Can you tell us more about the lameness. She's standing. Does she limp?

Any coughing, sneezing, watery discharge or mucous from nostrils, eyes etc. When you open her beak is it phlemy in there?

Feel her abdomen. Is it tight and hot?

Describe the hard crop a bit more. How big is the hard bit? Does it feel like grain, or like a lump of really hard plasticene that holds its shape when you press into it?

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 5:48 pm 
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The "water" on the breast and the blueness of the combs, I am guessing she has some sort of breathing problem. Whether that is due to an upper respiratory infection I am not sure but tend to think if it is, it is a secondary infection.

You say she is hanging around the water and drinking a lot tends to point to some form of poisoning. Have you been baiting for rats/mice of late? Snail bait in the garden? Spraying weeds?

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 6:54 pm 
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Hi, when you put her at one end of the box she will walk over to the water bowl and sit next to it. The water down the front is from her drinking all the time. I have just found her proper crop ( i had to look up on the net were it was ) the crop is fine. There is no sneezing or mucus coming from her nostrils. The 1st thing i thought of was poisoning but i haven't anything down for years. I had a look around and couldn't see anything. But something might have blown under a fence from neighbours. If it is poisoning what can i do??? Her poo's today are still watery but more green pellets and a yellowish mucus over the top..... The last picture your see with torrie and my daughter was taken a couple of weeks ago when she was happy and healthy. I need her to get back like that.... Hope you can help.... Caz

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 7:16 pm 
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Feel her abdomen. Not her crop, but her belly. Further back - between her breastbone and her vent at the back. Is it tight and hot, or warm and pliable as normal?

Also, has the colour of the urates (white part of her droppings) changed from white to yellow? You said the droppings were black and green before. What are they like now?

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 7:42 pm 
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her belly feels normal. yes there is yellow no white in her poo with little green pellets and wet no colour. Should i try and make her eat something as its been 4 days since she's eaten. She has had heaps and heaps to drink... caz

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 7:52 pm 
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The constant drinking concerns me as I think it is an indication that something serious is wrong with her. I suspect that she's been sick for longer than four days. She has faded away to skin and bone. I can see that without even feeling her. Chickens are expert at hiding their illnesses so we don't realise that they are sick until it's too late. I suspect this is the case here. They seem to get to a point of no return. They stop eating, lose a lot of weight until their organs begin to fail. I think this is what's happening here.

She is obviously a commercial hybrid breed of chicken. These birds are bred specifically to produce a large number of eggs in their first laying season with the minimum amount of food intake. They do this very well, but at a cost to their own bodies. From about 2 years onwards commercial breeds of chicken are at very high risk of all sorts of health issues. They frequently develop reproductive tumours, get egg bound, develop peritonitis and die. They can have all sorts of symptoms as cancers can develop in different parts of the body. I think you need to prepare yourself for the fact that this bird will probably die. If it was my bird I would put her down.

If you wish to keep her going for a while I would put her on the rickets diet and try and hand feed her little pellets of the mix. You could also try a course of antibiotics. The best way to treat her is to take her to a vet, although they may advise you to put the bird down also.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 8:52 pm 
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thaks for all your help - It don't sound good. My daughter is not going to give up. I know she is just going to be heart broken. But i did tell her when we saved torrie that she has been through a rough life and i don't know how long she will live. We have given her the best 5 months any chicken could have. She has received lots of love and attention. Can you please tell me what the rickets diet is and were can i find it. Blessings Caz

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 9:35 pm 
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Yes, I understand. Here it is. It can be difficult feeding an extremely ill bird as they are not interested. This mix can be made into small pellets and popped into the bird's beak. She may swallow them. When you make it up just adjust the amounts of the ingredients slightly to get the consistency that allows you to do that.

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The rickets diet is a diet that is designed to give a sick bird vitamins, minerals and energy very quickly. It is high in protein and can be fed to a sick bird as a tonic. You can replace ingredients with others with similar nutrients. It's just a guide. It was initially meant for birds that have developed rickets as a result of deficiencies, but it's also very helpful for most sick birds, particularly those that haven't been eating well.

A sick bird can often be helped by the Rickets diet. Feed the birds once a day for three days or until you feel the bird is looking and acting better - usually 3 weeks.

This amount feeds one bird. Each serving consists of:

½ to 1 x cooked egg yolk… crumbled into mixture
1 teaspoon of cod liver oil..
1 very small drizzle of honey
2 x tablespoons natural yoghurt - no sugar
2 to 4 tablespoons rolled oats or Baby rice
1 dessertspoon of beef tin cat food…… Not dog food
A few grains of multi vitamin powder
2 tablespoons of grated apple..
Mix to make a crumble mixture not runny, if you have to roll into pellets and force feed, and then gently massage the neck in a downward motion to get it down into the crop, then do it, the bird may be too weak to eat or have lost the desire to eat….

Always have fresh clean water available at all time for the bird and good quality food
Feed the rickets diet in the morning. Also have her ordinary feed and fresh clean water available at all times: if it has not been fully eaten with in 12 hours throw it out... make another one the next morning.. don't add to it.. clean out the dish it was in also before adding the new mixture.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 1:33 pm 
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Hi, sadly Torrie past away during the night. very sad day............. she was a very much loved pet........ :(

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