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PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 11:58 am 
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BASIC CHECK LIST FOR THE SICK BIRD
Please answer these brief questions below, so we can help you as soon as possible.

Age: 11 months
Breed: Light Sussex
Sex: Boy

Your Location- country, state (different areas/climates have different problems)
ANSWER: Townsville, north Queensland. Coming into the wet season so warm in the day (30 degrees) but still cool at nights.

What is wrong? What symptoms have you noted? - As much detail as possible please.
ANSWER: 7 days ago, noticed he was not crowing as loadly as normal. Put him in a pen by himself with food and water.

Full droppings description.- colour, consistency, frequency, offensive smell.
ANSWER: The brown is green. Also started to poo out small bits of pebbles yesterday (none today though). Poo amount relies on how much he eats and drinks.

Respiratory Changes?- eg. breathing sounds, discharge, laboured breathing, facial swelling
ANSWER: No discharge from eyes or ears. Checked his throat for gapeworm/wet pox etc but looks normal. No facial swelling. Laboured breathing that gets worse if he is moved. Opens his beak some of the time to breath but it not stretching his neck gasping for breath. Does flick his head and do chook cough every so often, mainly when he eats.

Digestive Changes?- eg. eating, drinking, crop filling & emptying
ANSWER: Was not eating but drinking okay. Is starting to eat more. Put him on Tylan powder on Wednesday which he drank the first time but there was no way we were getting him to drink it again.

Condition Changes?- eg. Weight, comb/wattle colour, skin, feathering
ANSWER: Wormed recently and was over the 3.5kg mark. He is normal other wise.

Behavioural Changes?- inc. socialising, laying, crowing, broodiness
ANSWER: Even in his current state I'm sure if a lady walked past he wouldn't hold back.

Agility Changes? - eg. any lameness, favouring, energy levels
ANSWER: Decreased energy levels but bright and alert and trying to crow. Happy to stand on his stool in the bathroom.

Describe your usual worming routine and products. [If none, say so and skip the next 3 worming questions.] Do you have a cycle that you use eg. every 3 months, or every six months?
ANSWER: Hadn't wormed for ages but found eggs recently so they were all wormed with Avirtrol Plus 28 tablets days ago. Wormed again 14 days ago.

1.When was the bird last wormed??- approximate date.
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2. What product was used to worm the bird, and how was it given? ? eg. in the drinking water, on the skin, by injection?
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3. Was a follow up dose given? (eg. 10-14 days later)
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Any other recent medications?- antibiotics, coccidiosis meds, herbal remedies, etc
ANSWER: Tylan powder. Soluvet Plus.

Other changes? – additions to the flock, diet, housing, extreme weather
ANSWER: Mass duckling and chick hatching but he is in the house yard away from them. Diet the same. Free range on 20 acres. Other than the breeding area he can go where ever he likes.


Additional information: We have had two muscovy ducks with Aspergiliosis so it could be that (last one early in the year) though he is eating and we found the ducks stopped eating. I'm thinking respiratory infection, probably viral. Watching the rest of the flock ~100 birds for any sign.

Also if we hadn't wormed then when we did he would have been in the pot by now. I have no intention of breeding him so if I need to cull him I will (okay hubby will).

Thanks for your time.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 1:28 pm 
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Hi Trubarka,

Welcome to the forum.

From the details that you have given I think that you are on the right track that the problem is respiratory. Supportive care is probably the best you can do at this stage. Re putting him in the pot, if you take this option, I'd generally postpone this until he is well again. Weigh him now and at intervals again to monitor any loss of weight. If the breastbone area becomes more prominent to the feel that is another sign of loss of condition. Hopefully, he will recover but it may take some time. You are doing about all you can at the moment.Keep up the soluvet for a while in case he has some loss of appetite. Best wishes.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 1:35 pm 
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Question about respiratory infections, I've found that the inbuation period is roughly 5 to l0 days. But cannot find anything about how long they are infectious for. I've got muscovy ducklings and silky chicks ready to be sold but I will not let them leave our property until I know we have come through this with no other birds getting sick. It doesn't seem to matter how much you tell people to separate new birds.

The rooster is improving so much that he escaped the bathroom and got to a hen that I was treating for bumblefoot. Darn now I have two birds in quarantine.

So I thought I would wait 10-14 days to see if anybody shows any signs, and then another 14 days to be certain all is good. What do people think??


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 4:27 pm 
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If you're not planning to keep him, and he's only for eating, to be quite honest I'd cut your losses on this boy and cull him now. While you're treating him, you're at risk of transferring illness to the rest of the flock, regardless of the strictness of your quarantine/biosecurity measures. It's always annoying if you're trying to fill the freezer, but with hatching chicks and ducklings etc, you really don't need the additional stress.

I deal with similar numbers (at times) and similar decisions about "I was going to eat him", and have found the "cull if they start to sneeze" concept keeps the overall flock much healthier. It's harsh, but in this situation, the welfare of the majority can override the welfare of one - esp. if he was just for eating.

If he were a breeder/pet/sale bird, the story would be different, of course!


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