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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 10:07 am 
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Location: Thornleigh, NSW
Age: 6 months
Breed: RIR
Sex: Femail

Your Location- country, state (different areas/climates have different problems)
ANSWER: NSW - northern Sydney

What is wrong? What symptoms have you noted? - As much detail as possible please.
ANSWER: Over the last few days I noticed she had a slight limp. Looking at her feet I noticed one toe swollen/bent/joints inflamed, that sort of thing. And it is not at as acute and angle as the equivalent on the other side

Full droppings description.- colour, consistency, frequency, offensive smell.
ANSWER: Normal, though she's had a tiny bit on her fluffy butt off and on the last week or so

Respiratory Changes?- eg. breathing sounds, discharge, laboured breathing, facial swelling
ANSWER: None

Digestive Changes?- eg. eating, drinking, crop filling & emptying
ANSWER: None, eats and drinks well

Condition Changes?- eg. Weight, comb/wattle colour, skin, feathering
ANSWER: Maybe her comb is a little paler than normal, but nothing dramatic so I can't be sure

Behavioural Changes?- inc. socialising, laying, crowing, broodiness
ANSWER: None - she is Top Chook and all seems to be under control

Agility Changes? - eg. any lameness, favouring, energy levels
ANSWER: Slight limp, she hobbles when she runs

Describe your usual worming routine and products. [If none, say so and skip the next 3 worming questions.] Do you have a cycle that you use eg. every 3 months, or every six months?
ANSWER: Usually every three months

1.When was the bird last wormed??- approximate date.
ANSWER: Early December

2. What product was used to worm the bird, and how was it given? ? eg. in the drinking water, on the skin, by injection?
ANSWER: Avitrol Plus in drinking water

3. Was a follow up dose given? (eg. 10-14 days later)
ANSWER: Yes

Any other recent medications?- antibiotics, coccidiosis meds, herbal remedies, etc
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Other changes? – additions to the flock, diet, housing, extreme weather
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Photos? – any relevant photos are very helpful

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 10:11 am 
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Sorry, meant also to say that I held her whilst my husband had a good look and feel. No sign of cut or infection and it isn't hot. She let him pull her foot down and check out the injured area, whereas she pulled up her good foot/leg, away from him. Don't know if that means she is in pain or it is weaker than the other, but thought it worth adding.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 10:47 am 
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Definately not normal but its a hard call at this early stage.

At first glance, I would have called it as an injury to the foot or a sprain or even arthritic foot joints. The fact that you said you tested the leg for push pull resistance and felt none made me hold back.

However, lets not jump to any conclusions just yet. A six months old she is just coming into maturity and has a couple of growth spurts happening. These can outstrip body reserves and give some pretty unusual symptoms including neurological signs. You havn't said what the diet is but lets totally eliminate any dietary issues by getting some soluable avian vitamins (soluvet is one brand) and place this in their drinking water at the rate recommended on the label. Also get some good quaity canned cat food and give the to all of them as a treat.

Canned cat food contains a higher protein level and as well, it has essential fats and oils and added vitamins

If it mareks (and she is at roughly the right age) then the problem will only get worse and she will totally lose control of that let. It will happen within a week. However, thats jumping the gun. Lets try the other things first.

Keep us informed on her progress and I am interested in the diet you feed her and the ratios if it is not totally pellets.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 11:07 am 
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Thanks. I have fed them layer mash since they finished the pullet grower at 18 weeks old. When she first laid (closely followed by 2 others) about a month ago, I put out shell grit for them. They free range about 4 hours each afternoon. I give them 1/4 tsp poultry spice most days (contains garlic, mustard etc), ACV in their water once a week, and Soluvet once a week. We have an old cat who needs tempting with a variety of foods so they get leftover cat food (maybe 2 tsp each) about 3 or 4 times a week in their breakfast mash which normally is rolled oats, leftover fruit and veg as well. A couple of times a week I add yoghurt to their breakfast mash. I also give them greens late morning. So I think their diet is pretty good.

I gave her PolyAid Plus yesterday afternoon. She is not limping as much this morning but then she's not out of the run yet, so hasn't gone far. I have just noticed a small dark brown area on her comb on one side. It might just be dirt. Or it might be a problem. If it is a lesion, it might further indicate Marek's disease? These are my first chickens so I have only read about Marek's and hope I'm not imagining it..... I'll keep a close eye on her.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 10:16 am 
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Her toe is less swollen and she is barely limping now. However, she has developed a sore on her comb, 2-3 days ago. It is raised when I feel it. She doesn't flinch as if it hurts her. You might also notice the last tip on her comb is missing. That happened about three months ago. It had a bloody end then fell off. I assumed it was from the nesting magpie that was dive bombing them at the time. There's little pecking between them and she never has been pecked (that I have seen) as she is Top Chook.

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Is this sore a lesion that also might indicate Marek's? It doesn't look like any photos of Fowl Pox I have seen. Should I put Betadine on it?

I'd appreciate any advice you can offer!


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 10:22 am 
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No - it is not Mareks on the comb - breathe easy.

I cannot tell from the photo if its just a small injury or a fowl pox lesion. Do you have mosquitoes currently ??

I am glad about the feet

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 10:24 am 
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There are mossies around, for sure, though it's not especially bad at present.

Are you thinking it might be a bite?


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 10:34 am 
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Although birds can spread fowl pox by contact, the majority of the infection is spread by mosquitoes. The mosquitoes carry the virus in their saliva and ingeted blood and transfer it from bird to bird. Its the season for it.

The beauty of fowl pox is that it self vaccinates the bird that have it an they never get fowl pox again. In severe cases it does do the birds harm but those couple of marks on the comb is very mild if it is fowl pox. If its just a small injury it will heal almost overnight given the rich blood supply to the comb a bird has.

At this point i would do absolutely nothing. If you go to the A-Z of poultry diseases in the green section above in this medical section there is quite a bit ritten about fowl pox and some good photos of mild and severe infections.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 11:01 am 
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Thanks so much for the useful info. Now I have another reason to hate mosquitos!!

I checked the photos out and it sure isn't too bad yet, if it is fowl pox. As you suggest, I'll just keep an eye on her.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 5:19 pm 
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Hi Bobkat,

I just saw your post about your girl's toes. It looks very much to me as if the toe is broken - which would certainly explain the limp. If she is now limping a bit less, it could just be the break healing and causing less pain. I have a girl here who had a toe like that when I got her as a chick, although she has never limped on it (I think it healed over before I got her). Her toe looks exactly the same as your hen's, but doesn't have the 'kink' in the middle of the toe, just the sharp angle where the toe meets the foot. If your girl has somehow broken her toe, it will heal in time, and hopefully cause her no further trouble - but I guess you can't discount arthritic problems further down the track with an old injury. But so far, my hen has had no problem with her old broken toe; she is now about 5 years old, and it's never bothered her. She can scratch about, roost, etc, just like all the others. Hopefully that's all that's wrong with your girl. And the sore on her comb just looks like a bit of a peck injury - it should be fine too.

Just another thought as to what it may be - hope she'll be ok.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 5:58 pm 
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Thanks, Onyx. Sometimes the simplest explanations are the right ones. Anyway, nothing has gotten any worse so I think you might be correct on both counts. I appreciate the post, helps me worry less!


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