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 Post subject: Sick Frizzle
PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2015 1:07 pm 
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Hi there, I'm hoping someone can advise me about my sick Frizzle chicken.

My whole flock (of 3) have been broody and all lost weight during this time. I would usually have put them in a de-clucking cage, but I live in Cairns and at this time of year didn't have anywhere shady enough to isolate them. Anyway, they all came off the brood together, however one of them hasn't resumed her normal appetite. I even tried meal worms, which the other hens just took off her as she didn't eat them, but just put them down and looked at them.

We then got a rat in the chook house and this distressed them all (it has been caught now), but the sick one started to molt big time. She now has no tail feathers and is very quiet and reluctant to come out of the chook shed to free range. I have managed to get her to eat some wet mash from my hands, but she isn't behaving normally and is very thin. I think there is some minor bullying going on from the other hens, not cannibalism but not letting her feed in peace.

Can anyone advise if I should bring her out of the shed and put her in a pen on her own? The whole flock were wormed about 3 months ago. The other chooks are healthy although none have resumed laying yet.

Any advice appreciated. Thanks


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 Post subject: Re: Sick Frizzle
PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2015 2:30 pm 
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Hi and welcome to BYP, JT chooks.

A chook that is broody usually is exhausting herself quite a bit and could therefore be more susceptible to diseases or parasites than normally. It's possible that she is too run down to fight things off or that she had a problem before going broody, which worsened now.
It would be good to know a bit more about this bird to be able to give advice. Can you please try to copy this checklist viewtopic.php?f=5&t=7955698 and fill in as much information as possible? A photo of your sick girl would be helpful, too.

In the meantime, I'd strongly recommend to separate her from the others. It will be much easier to monitor her and you'll avoid that she'd be bullied by the stronger ones. For now, put some avian vitamins in her water. If you don't have a product specifically for birds handy a multivitamin for humans will do for now. Also keep tempting her with yummy food. You could try the Rickets Diet, a bit of good quality tinned cat food, a mashed boiled egg or some cooked or even raw beef mince for a start. It doesn't sound like she's just run down from being broody. There is more to it that we have to try to find out with that checklist.

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 Post subject: Re: Sick Frizzle
PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2015 1:23 pm 
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Thanks for your advice, I have moved her to a cool, quiet space on her own. I attach photos as requested. Unfortunately I couldn't download your checklist, but can confirm she isn't eating anything at all. She has lost at least 50% of her feathers and is passing only bile. As you can see she still looks quite bright but isn't well. The chickens' diet is a mixed poultry grain, greens (lettuce, cabbage leaves etc), wet mash made from rehydratred high quality layer pellets and a little natural yogurt daily. I also intermittently give them fresh corn and fruit. I did try her with some tuna, which the well chooks loved, but the sick one wouldn't go near.

I have heard that chooks can get a fasting illness, do you know if this is right?

Thanks again.


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 Post subject: Re: Sick Frizzle
PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2015 2:24 pm 
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JT, thanks for pictures and a bit more information.

For now, I'd like you to check her for external parasites (lice and mites), worm her with a product that covers both, roundworms and tapeworm. Avitrol plus, Moxidectin plus or Wormout tablets are all very good products. You can buy them from online shops.
See how she goes with the worming. If it doesn't help, and you still can't tempt her to eat she might need veterinary help and crop feeding. But maybe we get more ideas once we have more information.

You should also think about changing your chooks' diet. Feeding a wet mash could be a reason for your bird getting sick in the first place. Particularly in summer, it can happen very easily that pathogens can reproduce very quickly in wet mashes. As it's not of any benefit for your birds to feed a wet mash, it's much better to stay clear from it. It's also very important to feed a healthy diet, consisting from at least 80 % of a fresh, good quality chook ration. Feeding pellets is the easiest and safest way for them as they can't just pick their favourite grains and leave the rest. Adding some vegies, fruit, grains or corn to the diet of a healthy bird is fine as long as you only feed very small amounts.

Just copy and paste the checklist further down in this post into your reply and fill in the questions. Hopefully, some more information will come into your mind once you read the questions:


BASIC CHECK LIST FOR THE SICK BIRD
Please answer these brief questions below, so we can help you as soon as possible.

Age:
Breed:
Sex:

Your Location- country, state (different areas/climates have different problems)
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What is wrong? What symptoms have you noted? - As much detail as possible please.
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What are you feeding? - Please list everything you're feeding to your birds, including type of basic feed, free ranging, scraps, extras, etc. If possible give approximate percentages.
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Full droppings description.- colour, consistency, frequency, offensive smell.
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Respiratory Changes?- eg. breathing sounds, discharge, laboured breathing, facial swelling
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Digestive Changes?- eg. eating, drinking, crop filling & emptying
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Condition Changes?- eg. Weight, comb/wattle colour, skin, feathering
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Behavioural Changes?- inc. socialising, laying, crowing, broodiness
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Agility Changes? - eg. any lameness, favouring, energy levels
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Describe your usual worming routine and products. [If none, say so and skip the next 3 worming questions.] Do you have a cycle that you use eg. every 3 months, or every six months?
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1. When was the bird last wormed??- approximate date.
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2. What product was used to worm the bird, and how was it given? ? eg. in the drinking water, on the skin, by injection?
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3. Was a follow up dose given? (eg. 10-14 days later)
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Any other recent medications?- antibiotics, coccidiosis meds, herbal remedies, etc
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Other changes? – additions to the flock, diet, housing, extreme weather
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Photos? – any relevant photos are very helpful
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 Post subject: Re: Sick Frizzle
PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 5:57 pm 
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Thanks very much for your reply. We did end up going to the vet with her and she was diagnosed with a crop infection. The whole flock have also been re-wormed. Since the antibiotics she is back to eating pretty normally which is very encouraging and there is feather regrowth as well.
Your advice about diet is very helpful. I am a real softie with the chooks and feed them a wide range of greens and vegetables. They are very reluctant and picky grain eaters, which is how I started feeding them wet mash, as they are much more interested in it. I have never had them eat any layer pellets whole and dry (I guess why would they when there is so much more on offer).

I'll try changing their diet as suggested and see how they go.


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