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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2017 1:32 pm 
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My poor Rocket is getting worse. Am I doing something wrong? Should I give it more time?

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Age: 6+ years
Breed: Isabrown
Sex: F

Your Location-
ANSWER: Brisbane, Queensland

What is wrong? What symptoms have you noted? - As much detail as possible please.
ANSWER: She started slightly limping about 4 weeks ago, only a slight check in her strides, not every step. Two weeks ago I took over feeding the flock (6 others 15-18 months old) more and noticed that it had got worse so I took a closer look. She had mites (almost invisible but felt them going up my arms, could only see one in the sunlight) and so did another hen who had been broody for a couple of weeks about 6 wks ago. Her skin was inflamed starting at the hock joint where she had sores just where the feathers started and the skin inflammation (no sores) continued 1 cm from the joint, and close to her vent (stern area) with patches of bare skin. I treated the house, dusted all the chooks with DE and separated her, and treated the sores, bathed her legs, applied coconut oil to her legs daily.The sores have almost healed (about 2 days ago) and the skin inflammation has reduced to a small patch below her vent.
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BUT her limping is worse (foot bent at the hock and droops), she free ranges during the day but is usually lying down when we check on her, is eating much less, tail feathers are droopy, comb is paler but wattle is still red, her skin is warm and she developed watery poos today. No symptoms of bumble foot. She still hops away when it’s time to move her in the evening though but has been less energetic in the last 2 days.
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I am wondering whether she is anaemic as her skin is slightly yellow where it was previously inflamed. I will start the protein mash and am wondering whether adding cooked chicken liver would help with iron levels?

What are you feeding? - Please list everything you're feeding to your birds, including type of basic feed, free ranging, scraps, extras, etc. If possible give approximate percentages.
ANSWER: Mainly Barastock mix 50%:50% of layer mash and Darling Downs grain mix in the morning and afternoon; free ranging, green veggies (cabbage. lettuce, kitchen scraps, peas), rolled oats with yoghurt, sardines, home made protein mash

Full droppings description.- colour, consistency, frequency, offensive smell.
ANSWER: Normal colour (dark grey with white) but watery today, no offensive smell

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Respiratory Changes?- eg. breathing sounds, discharge, laboured breathing, facial swelling
ANSWER: Beak opening more today but none of the above

Digestive Changes?- eg. eating, drinking, crop filling & emptying
ANSWER: Drinking much less and eating in the last two days

Condition Changes?- eg. Weight, comb/wattle colour, skin, feathering
ANSWER: Had lost weight and her comb is lighter in the last 2 days, wattle is still bright red


Behavioural Changes?- inc. socialising, laying, crowing, broodiness
ANSWER: She is separated from the other hens by a wire fence but they still hang out together. Stopped laying ages ago. She makes this sound in evening when she is separated from the other hens.

Agility Changes? - eg. any lameness, favouring, energy levels
ANSWER: Right leg is lame and she is not as agile as she was 2 days ago

Describe your usual worming routine and products. [If none, say so and skip the next 3 worming questions.] Do you have a cycle that you use eg. every 3 months, or every six months?
ANSWER: None except for periodic garlic in the water with apple cider vinegar

1. When was the bird last wormed??- approximate date.
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2. What product was used to worm the bird, and how was it given? ? eg. in the drinking water, on the skin, by injection?
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3. Was a follow up dose given? (eg. 10-14 days later)
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Any other recent medications?- antibiotics, coccidiosis meds, herbal remedies, etc
ANSWER: Treated the sores with Yunnan PaiYou

Other changes? – additions to the flock, diet, housing, extreme weather
ANSWER: It has been very warm and humid

Photos? – any relevant photos are very helpful
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2017 1:37 pm 
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A picture of her comb as I couldn't embed it in the last message
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2017 4:27 pm 
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Hi greenfrog and thanks for the comprehensive check list.
Are those photos of Rocket? looks male to me and very healthy for a 6 year old ISA.

It sounds as if there may have been an injury - which could account for the sores and inflammation. Is there resistance if you push on the foot?
It doesn't sound like Mareks which is the biggest worry with curled feet. Mareks generally progresses quite quickly and is followed by splayed legs. Mareks generally affects younger chooks.

You are doing the right thing by keeping Rocket separate from the others. Try to reduce activity/foraging and leave food accessable- just the mash would give the best balance and provides the most protein. Poop is rather green (bile) which indicates that food is not being fully digested. Keep an eye on it.
The anaemia may be because it is moulting season. Legs are yellow so skin colour may be normal. The face colour is OK. Combs tend to be 'reddest' when a hen is laying or a rooster is in breeding mode. Eyes look bright which is good.

I would worm Rocket (and the rest of the flock). A worm burden can cause limping (although not from the foot) Garlic and ACV may make conditions less hospitable for worms but they will not prevent or kill them. Use a product which targets tapeworm as well as other worms - Avitrol Plus, Moxidectin Plus or Wormout. (You need a worming product which includes Praziquantel)

Hopefully this is an injury and time and rest will resolve it. If there is no improvement soon, consider a vet visit.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 12:56 am 
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Thank you Sue!

I'll worm them all tomorrow and keep the mash close. I found an avian vet from the list in this forum which is close by.

Yes, all photos are of Rocket. She's commonly mistaken for a rooster because of her comb. I am surprised with how robust she is for her age. She survived the previous five (3 ISAs and 2 Australorps).

There's no resistance when I push her right foot - the lame one. Her right thigh muscle has wasted away a bit. I can spread out her toes but she doesn't put weight on it. I mobilised and extended her thighs forward and back and then placed her leg in a similar position to her left. It looked like she was tentatively testing it out but it could be my wishful thinking.

Her droppings have gone back to normal (not watery) but she hasn't been drinking much.

Hopefully she's recovering from an injury. :pray


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 6:07 pm 
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Hello again,

Just a brief update that while Rocket is still lame, she is well and is now a very fast hopper! I tried regular physio thinking that she might have forgotten how to use the leg but got slack.

She's an old timer I guess so getting lots of TLC - extra protien, chats, and pats :clnava

She sleeps at night in a separate cage and now hops to the stairs and waits for me to tuck her in for the night!

Dee


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