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PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2017 9:17 pm 
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Age: 5 months
Breed: Belgian Duccle
Sex: Female

Your Location- country, state (different areas/climates have different problems)
ANSWER: Brisbane, Australia

What is wrong? What symptoms have you noted? - As much detail as possible please.
ANSWER: Found this morning in the pen sitting on the floor – picked her up as she didn’t look as spritely as normal, when inside after watching her noted she is not weight bearing on her right leg at all. Sometimes she will stand up, and move her right leg as if on a bicycle, perhaps put the foot to the ground but never weight bears – then sits back down. All toes are of a normal temperature and colour. Heavily feathered legs though so makes other assessment difficult. If I put my finger under her left foot she grabs on but no response with the right. I cannot feel any obvious breaks or hot areas… her feet are intact with no cuts or lesions. When I hold her up by her body she hangs both legs down equally but if she stands independently she can hold her leg up to her body or put it down. A few small feathers have dropper but I don’t know if this is normal feather drop or indicating an injury perhaps just 3-4 of those tiny tiny feathers.

What are you feeding? - Please list everything you're feeding to your birds, including type of basic feed, free ranging, scraps, extras, etc. If possible give approximate percentages.
ANSWER: Supplemented cracked grain feed – has wheat/barley, rice, lupins, milo, sunflower seeds, corn and pellets – perhaps some other grains also


Full droppings description.- colour, consistency, frequency, offensive smell.
ANSWER: nil offensive smell – only witnessed two droppings since this morning – one was 2/3 white and gooey/watery and the remainder was a dark green-black.

Respiratory Changes?- eg. breathing sounds, discharge, laboured breathing, facial swelling
ANSWER: nil changes noted – after feeding she has her mouth open for a little but at rest no sounds or noticible increase in work of breathing.

Digestive Changes?- eg. eating, drinking, crop filling & emptying
ANSWER: crop seems unremarkable. Only eating when I hold it in front of her – though is resistant to drinking the water.

Condition Changes?- eg. Weight, comb/wattle colour, skin, feathering
ANSWER: unsure of wt – I dont have a set of scales capable of weighing her – I would say around 500g. seems paler but I am not sure to be honest. When sitting down she is all fluffed up and looking sorry for herself.

Behavioural Changes?- inc. socialising, laying, crowing, broodiness
ANSWER: sitting down looks up if you walk into the room but doesn’t move. Usually a very calm temperament and always happy to be picked up.

Agility Changes? - eg. any lameness, favouring, energy levels
ANSWER: nil weight bearing to Right leg – has taken one step backwards/readjustments to get comfortable only. Energy levels seem significantly reduced she normally bounced around the yard however is just a little lump of misery/pain right now

Describe your usual worming routine and products. [If none, say so and skip the next 3 worming questions.] Do you have a cycle that you use eg. every 3 months, or every six months?
ANSWER: I believe it is a skin application – the lady said it does mites and worms? I have done this only once in her lifetime (5months)

1. When was the bird last wormed??- approximate date.
ANSWER: approx. 2 months ago.

2. What product was used to worm the bird, and how was it given? ? eg. in the drinking water, on the skin, by injection?
ANSWER: ?skin

3. Was a follow up dose given? (eg. 10-14 days later)
ANSWER: no

Any other recent medications?- antibiotics, coccidiosis meds, herbal remedies, etc
ANSWER: nil. I have added an avian electrolyte mixture and probiotic to her water since this happened though

Other changes? – additions to the flock, diet, housing, extreme weather
ANSWER: no changes to the make shift coop – there are 3 young birds (who she is one of) in one coop and 4 old birds in another coop. they both free range but as they have not been fully integrated the young ones steer clear of the old birds. There are also bush turkeys around which chase them away from food – but I keep the young ones in their coop all day and let out in the afternoons – though yesterday the biggest of the little chickens led a coup and got out so they free ranged all day


I have brought her inside since finding her – avilyte and probriotic in her water, yoghurt, feed, fresh fruit and a treat I make that I call chicken gruel – cooked rice, oats, split peas, barley and polenta in a milk mixture. I am not able to give her an isolation buddy because she is 1/3 and if I bring one of them inside, the other is left alone and I am concerned if she is left outside with the other two that the heat will get to her (summer here in Australia)

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2017 9:35 pm 
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Sounds like an injury to me so I'll work on that assumption. Others may have better ideas. If it's an injury it could be anywhere from her foot to her pelvic/lower back area. See if you can gently feel all the way up her leg to her lower back. You are looking for any heat or swelling. Compare it to the other side.

I would keep her inside (even though she's on her own) and provide food and water where she can easily get them. A non slip surface will also be good - an old towel will do. The food she's getting sounds too low in protein to me. I'd give her her normal diet and you can supplement this with things like tinned sardines, scrambled egg, and raw or cooked mince or other meat.

A trip to the vet for a proper diagnosis would be ideal (and she could be prescribed some anti-inflammatories/painkillers like Metacam) but if that's not an option just keep caring for her inside. Painkillers would be good as it sounds like she's in a lot of discomfort.

Let her move about as she's able to. Leg injuries can take a couple of weeks to show any improvement so don't worry if she doesn't improve quickly. It is important that she eats so if she won't eat what I've suggested above try whatever seems to entice her.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2017 10:00 pm 
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I was just about to say exactly what Rach said.
I am also concerned about the protein level in her diet. What is the analysis on the grain mix?
Tinned cat food is another good option for a protein/nutrient boost (not dog food - too much salt) If she will eat your gruel I would try a mash made with pellets (layer or grower and warm water)


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2017 10:16 pm 
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thanks, this is their standard feed
http://www.jenco.com.au/assets/download ... r-Mash.pdf

okay thanks - I will get her some live meal worms tomorrow morning to boost the protein intake. I can also add some whey protein into the gruel/yoghurt??


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2017 10:31 pm 
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Thanks for the link - good stuff. Sometimes when people tell us they are feeding a grain mix, they are using a Scratch, not a full feed. :^

Hopefully healing will just be a matter of time.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2017 9:20 pm 
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Sorry to hear about your girl. If you can take her to a vet, I would say please do. I had a hen with a similar issue and she was diagnosed with a spinal injury (that healed eventually), and anti inflammatory pain relief was important. It comes in tablet form (Carprieve) or liquid (Metacam).Full recovery took a few weeks.

If you are considering a local vet, I can highly recommend Adrian Gallagher at Brisbane Bird Vet in Chermside.

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