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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 8:09 pm 
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Yesterday i noticed my rooster wasn't crowing at all.
When I came back from work i noticed him sitting in the corner, I tough, ok he is resting and just before the night he ate a bit and went to the coop .
Today again i came back from work and he was on the same rock, same corner.
I grabbed him and first thing i did i checked his crop and it felt empty but swalen and had some gas that came out after pressing it.
Sounds like a sour crop. Is there anything i can do to help him out. Today is second day , i hope it's not to late.
I gave him a dose of Baytril that i had left over from before.
Any advice, please coment.
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 Post subject: Re: Sour crop
PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 8:06 pm 
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Quite often sour crop is caused by a bacteria called trichomonas, commonly called canker.

Check in is his mouth and throat for yellow plaque, this is treatable with an antibiotic called flagyl, available in tablet or liquid form. I find the liquid better as it physically coats the plaques.
this is a prescription only med and a vet visit is necessary. If you want to avoid the vet visit 2ml of manuka honey 30+ for 10 days or so has also done the job for me. Warm the honey before trying to draw it up in a syringe.

If you can't see any plaques try baking soda /sodium bicarbonate, this has worked for me and according to this recent post at least one other member viewtopic.php?f=5&t=8040258&p=827625&hilit=sour+crop#p827625

Good luck with him, let us know how you go.

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 Post subject: Re: Sour crop
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Thank very much!
I'm on Google whole day. I found a tread with a red wine and they say it makes miracles. I gave him some red wine now, no food no water. In the morning i will give him water with prebiotics!!
Is backing soda mixed with the water and how much.
I don't see anything in his throat ( i know what you mean), it's nothing there!!
Thanks again for advice, i will try baking soda!!


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 Post subject: Re: Sour crop
PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 8:44 pm 
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I've got the measurements, will try it for sure!!


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I wouldn't be using red wine it will make it worse, you need something alkaline not acidic.

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 Post subject: Re: Sour crop
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This morning he looked much better. I don't know if red wine did the trick, but today his poop is more solid compering to yesterday, still watery but getting thicker.
Tonight i noticed a bit of blood in his poop. Is this normal?


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 Post subject: Re: Sour crop
PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2017 7:39 pm 
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Pleased he's a bit better, are you sure it's blood and not red wine :-)

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 Post subject: Re: Sour crop
PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2017 11:29 pm 
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Might be red wine, don't know. I don't really know if wine did the trick, but amazingly after 2 day he is back to normal, crowing, chasing hens around, fighting with the other rooster, I'm really amazed. 2 days ago he wasn't eating and drinking, his crop was like a balloon and his head was hanging down, i tough I'm gonna lose him. I also used , colloidal silver 1 syringe straight in the crop, aple cider with garlic and probiotics, so something worked.
What i noticed, his poop was a pure water before i gave him 3 syringes of wine and a gentle massage on his crop, next mornings he had solids in his poop.
I would like that someone else tries this and see if it really works.
Maybe it is just a luck, but i have to keep eyes on him...


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 Post subject: Re: Sour crop
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Well, at least it doesn't sound like he has a hang over. :wino

What size syringe did you use?


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 Post subject: Re: Sour crop
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Syringe is 3 mm. He is still ok, the crop is not blotted any, eating ok, the poop is still bit watery, but I'm happy with the outcome.
I used to give him wine before the bed time, so probably he had a nice deep sleep.


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 Post subject: Re: Sour crop
PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 7:32 pm 
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This is very interesting (I'm a winemaker).

The enzyme that breaks down alcohol in the body is lacking in children and most animals. So they have trouble getting rid of it and it is toxic to them.

It used to be a "home remedy" against anything for cows and other animals in the dark old ages and I remember a vet getting really angry and telling farmers to rather quaff the "Schnapps" themselves than giving it to the poor cows. This is about 50 years ago.

Wine has something between 12 and 14% alcohol, so it is not as bad as Schnapps.

However, I wonder if the acid might be what did it. Red wine has a pH of about 3.5.
I remember a thread here somewhere about apple cider vinegar possibly being helpful. It has about the same acidity, but a lot less alcohol.

Over the years I have lost several of my favoured chickens to sour crop, and I wish I knew more about this. (Plenty of red wine here, if that is what does it!)

Any other ideas?

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 Post subject: Re: Sour crop
PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 12:45 am 
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Yes, i was sceptical about this, but when the rooster got sick, i started kind of panicking and was ready to try anything, just not to lose him. I started searching on Internet and found this and it worked for me.
I used to have chicken with the sour crop and I never was successful with fixing the problem, chicken recovers for two days and it comes back again ,the crop would be blotted for the most of the time and it was painful experience, that is why when i found him in the corner sitings on the rock , blotted and in pain, a tough ohh no again....
Now after nearly 2 weeks he looks and behaves totally normal.
I hope this treatment helps others too!!


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 Post subject: Re: Sour crop
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I know the feeling and I'm glad it worked.
I will certainly keep in in mind.

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