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PostPosted: Sat May 06, 2017 4:07 pm 
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Hi! I'm knew to having chickens and one of my pullets seems unwell. I've learnt so much from this forum just by reading other posts. thanks so much for any help you can give!

Age: 4 months
Breed: Belgian D'Uccle
Sex: F

Your Location- country, state (different areas/climates have different problems)
ANSWER: Adelaide, South Australia

What is wrong? What symptoms have you noted? - As much detail as possible please.
ANSWER: She's mostly just really lethargic. one of her eyes seems a bit droopy. her poop seems mostly normal. a bit pinky in the mornings fluffed up tail down. eating and drinking ok but not scratching around. She was mostly following the other hens but just sitting or standing still when they stop to scratch

What are you feeding? - Please list everything you're feeding to your birds, including type of basic feed, free ranging, scraps, extras, etc. If possible give approximate percentages.
ANSWER: free ranging, chick feed (crumble), scraps:corn cob veggie leaves, yoghurt, a bit of scrambled egg, able cider vinegar in water (in order of amount)


Full droppings description.- colour, consistency, frequency, offensive smell.
ANSWER: dry, white on top, small, a bit pink in the morning, about 5 overnight

Respiratory Changes?- eg. breathing sounds, discharge, laboured breathing, facial swelling
ANSWER: fine

Digestive Changes?- eg. eating, drinking, crop filling & emptying
ANSWER: stopped free ranging but ate scraps and yoghurt happily

Condition Changes?- eg. Weight, comb/wattle colour, skin, feathering
ANSWER:one foot seems to have a lot less feathers but are growing back. colour seems the same. one eye seems doppy

Behavioural Changes?- inc. socialising, laying, crowing, broodiness
ANSWER: roosting less, likes to be near the others but not always huddling right near them

Agility Changes? - eg. any lameness, favouring, energy levels
ANSWER: low energy

Describe your usual worming routine and products. [If none, say so and skip the next 3 worming questions.] Do you have a cycle that you use eg. every 3 months, or every six months?
ANSWER: none yet- we've only had them for 3 weeks or so

1. When was the bird last wormed??- approximate date.
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2. What product was used to worm the bird, and how was it given? ? eg. in the drinking water, on the skin, by injection?
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3. Was a follow up dose given? (eg. 10-14 days later)
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Any other recent medications?- antibiotics, coccidiosis meds, herbal remedies, etc
ANSWER: antibiotics from yesterday morning (sulphadim)

Other changes? – additions to the flock, diet, housing, extreme weather
ANSWER: new birds (had them 3 weeks) last week we had quite a drop in temp and a few really wet days

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PostPosted: Sat May 06, 2017 9:10 pm 
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Straight after some wet days , hunched back, seems to point to coccidosis, you said some poos pink in morning as in small amount of blood, also a sign. Treat with a cocci med, Danny from the chookshop here sells some good ones, but if needed in a hurry Petbarn has one, and some produce stores may carry it, i think its a vetafarm product called coccivet., with this one have to treat for 5 days in the same water as for the rest of chicks. All need to be treated.
The ones from Danny are a 1 day treatment, look up geckodan.com, a good place to get moxidectin- plus to , this treats worms and mites :thumbs: ..
I just had to trat a blue laced red wyandotte cockerel from cocci, similar symptoms, was also going light, another sign is higher thirst, they seem to drink way more then the rest. If caught early they seem to recover quickly. Once they are mature they will have built up a immunity to cocci.


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PostPosted: Sat May 06, 2017 11:15 pm 
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She definitely has the classic Coccidiosis stance but watch the eye for any sign of respiratory problems - bubbles, swelling, discharge.
I have just done 1 pullet with Danny's 1 dose product (Diclurazil) - really convenient as we were going away for a few days (you do get to know the look). Had had a leaking waterer which is a major 'C' hazard.
Normally as mycoola advised I would treat the whole pen but in this case this girl had a different background to the others. She was several weeks younger and had been reared in a brooder. The others had been raised on the ground by a hen and had had more opportunity to develop a resistance.

Please keep us posted with Jackies progress.


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PostPosted: Mon May 15, 2017 6:07 pm 
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thanks so much. sorry i didn't reply! :(

Jackie is still holding on. she got a LOT worse. She can't stand up or barely sit. i think she did get a respiratory problem she was/is panting(gulping) to breath and gurgling a lot although I think it's getting better- i changed her antibiotics.
She's still SO weak and tired but has been increasingly eating mushy crumble feed with a little yoghurt (off a spoon) the last few days and today I added some tuna to it.

for a while i thought there was no way she could make it and pretty much i was just nursing her to death but she's been holding on. now i'm hoping if she does recover that her sickness hasn't done any major lasting damage... I gave her a quick warm bath today because she was getting quite dirty with not being able to move much. and I made her a sling :D to sit in for a bit so she could stretch her legs. ... she's still managing to eat when she's not asleep...


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PostPosted: Mon May 15, 2017 8:58 pm 
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Love the sling (filed that one)
Is her face swollen?
Have a look inside her mouth - does everything look clean/normal?
It seems to have been going on for too long to be just Coccidiosis.


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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2017 1:27 pm 
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yeah. i changed her antibiotics from the cocci one to a broad spectrum one thursday last week because I thought she got a respiratory infection after the cocci started to clear up (if it was cocci :( ). but i've stopped it now. her mouth and nostrils look clear. the last few days she only seems to be struggling with breathing when i've got her out for a stretch and a bit when she's eating but she's resting without the laboured breathing. It seems like she's maybe just weak now?? I've been giving her a bit of probiotics in her grower crumble and tuna every day and she's eating it well and often. I was making a mush with the antibiotic water earlier and she hated it so i don't think she was eating enough :( she seems to have gained a bit more weight the last couple of days.

the others have been moulting heaps. and now i'm wondering if she is too and that's taking a lot of her energy also. i've been second guessing myself a lot...


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 3:58 pm 
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So a little update. I nursed her like crazy. she got lice from not moving around and i had to treat her for that. I've been feeding her well. and she's improving. sort of. Not long after my last post i noticed a sore and lump on her side behind her left leg. I've been keeping it clean and using a topical antiseptic. i thought it might be an ingrown feather or an infection from an injury. but her feathers have fallen out on and near it and it hasn't seemed like pus. her over-all health has improved a lot. she's eating and gaining mobility and weight and enjoying scratching around with the others. but the large lump is still there. I wonder if it's a tumour or cancer that she or one of the others made bleed. just keeping an eye on her still...


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 6:14 pm 
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Thanks for the update. A tumour is a possibility. Another possibility is that there has been an injury which was infected - in poultry pus very quickly goes from 'runny' to 'cheesy' and then sets to form a solid mass. Unfortunately because of this, antibiotics are rarely effective as they cannot penetrate the infection. A typical example is bumble foot - the infection has to be physically removed. A vet would then probably pack the hole with antibiotic.
I have had success on a couple of solid (but open) infections with a hydrogel such as Flaminal Hydro or Manuka Honey (chemist strength). They have some antiseptic/antibacterial qualities and may debride the dead tissue. It is a long process (possibly co incidence). I apply generously, cover and replace every couple of days.
Do be aware also that Coccidiosis can do permanent internal damage and even a seemingly recovered bird may always 'fail to thrive'.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:36 pm 
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It bled again today- quite badly. I thought maybe one of the other chickens pecked at it but i also think it's possible it just split when she tripped on something. the other chickens have never had any interest in it before. I wondered if it was an infection that went hard inside her. maybe it is. but i had a look after it bled today to see if there was something in there and it really looks "alive" and fleshy. it bled without any sign of infection or even clear fluid. also- it's grown significantly since she started getting better.
The kids and also noticed right from the start that she has a very small comb and she is a very little chicken. I think she's probably always been sick. Being new to chickens we just didn't notice for a while. Poor thing. Well at least she's enjoyed the last week scratching around and she's got some nice chicken friends :D they even wait for her to catch up when they walk around the yard.


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