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PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2017 1:17 pm 
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Age: about 3months
Breed:black sussex
Sex: F

Your Location- country, state (different areas/climates have different problems)
ANSWER: USA, South Carolina

What is wrong? What symptoms have you noted? - As much detail as possible please.
ANSWER: one of my hens is having trouble walking. lays down most of the day except when eating/drinking. when standing one foot is on top of the other, and when walking she has 'pigeon toes', knees bent at almost a 45* angle.

What are you feeding? - Please list everything you're feeding to your birds, including type of basic feed, free ranging, scraps, extras, etc. If possible give approximate percentages.
ANSWER: dumour 15% grower/finisher. free ranging


Full droppings description.- colour, consistency, frequency, offensive smell.
ANSWER: have not isolated hen yet, but no droppings are different so i would assume the entire flock is the same.

Respiratory Changes?- eg. breathing sounds, discharge, laboured breathing, facial swelling
ANSWER: none

Digestive Changes?- eg. eating, drinking, crop filling & emptying
ANSWER: none

Condition Changes?- eg. Weight, comb/wattle colour, skin, feathering
ANSWER: still growing, but no noticeable changes other than walking

Behavioural Changes?- inc. socialising, laying, crowing, broodiness
ANSWER: lays down most of the day isolated. one other hen stays close to her.

Agility Changes? - eg. any lameness, favouring, energy levels
ANSWER: painful walking.

Describe your usual worming routine and products. [If none, say so and skip the next 3 worming questions.] Do you have a cycle that you use eg. every 3 months, or every six months?
ANSWER: none yet.

Any other recent medications?- antibiotics, coccidiosis meds, herbal remedies, etc
ANSWER: none

Other changes? – additions to the flock, diet, housing, extreme weather
ANSWER: recently switched to a larger multi-level coop 2weeks ago.

Photos? – any relevant photos are very helpful
INSERT HERE: none yet. will take some tomorrow to upload.

have a flock of 6,3 black sussex, 3 isa browns. no other are displaying any abnormalities. this is my first flock so im still learning.

i am thinking its rickets so will be starting the rickets diet recommended here. i also checked for mareks but the hens eyes are reacting normally to light, and since no other chicks are demonstrating symptoms, im ruling mareks out.

she can still walk but it seems to be painful for her, she started crying tonight and it seems to more serious. she can still make it up and down the ramp for the coop, but i have been putting food and water on both levels to help minimize how much she has to move. she started having some slight limping about 5 days ago. hasnt been very serious or limiting her movement much since the last 2 days.

any help would be greatly appreciated.


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PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2017 4:40 pm 
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Hi Reddawnrogue and welcome to BYP

Thanks for filling in the checklist. I can't see any specific husbandry issues which might be causing this and it doesn't sound like a typical Mareks presentation.
My first guess would be an injury, possibly a rough landing. Are both legs involved or just one?
Have a good look for any sign of injury (check the soles of her feet). Look for swelling or heat. Feel along her legs - does everything feel right? Gently push her legs towards her body is there resistance?
The Rickets diet is a good idea. You can also supplement with avian vitamins.
I would separate her from the rest of the flock (with a quiet friend if she seems stressed by herself) and minimise her exercise.
If you can access some Meloxicam (anti inflammatory) this may help her pain. In Australia this needs to be vet prescribed - other countries are less strict about what can be purchased without a script.
If she doesn't soon show signs of improvement you may need to consider a vet visit.


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PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2017 12:42 am 
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My first thought was Rickets, or injury. Check for injury as Sue suggested, and go with the Rickets diet as you're planning. Not sure what else it would be, so hopefully it's one of the two and you can get it sorted.

Welcome to BYP, the folks here are an awesome bunch and a wealth of knowledge. :)


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PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2017 3:33 am 
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thanks guys. ive been trying to think of how it could be injury, unless she fell off the top of the coop but its only 28'' and the other hens jump off of it as well. i also dont see any visible signs of injury, and she has more or less the same leg strength as the others. when she is not putting pressure on her legs she is fine. hopefully the diet will work. ill post any updates as they come.

thanks again.


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PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2017 9:22 am 
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Hopefully there will soon be some improvement.
Are the birds all the same age? ISA can be bullies to younger birds/newcomers.


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PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2017 10:06 am 
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Yes they are the same age. All were purchased together as well.


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PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2017 10:42 am 
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As promised photos,
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How her feet look
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This is how she sits all day pretty much
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This is her guard buddy
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PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2017 12:52 pm 
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Thanks for the photos.

Hmm, another option is Valgus-Varus Deformity that's caused slipped tendons or a fracture. I believe that it is caused by a Niacin deficiency (Vit. B3), and creates an underlying weakness that ultimately results tendons slipping or fractures. It can present with feet out (Valgus) or facing in (Varus).

I'd perhaps look for a poultry vitamin supplement that covered the underlying causes of Rickets (Calcium, Phosphorus & Vit. D) and VVD (Niacin) and with any luck she'll be covered. However if there is a resultant slipped tendon or fracture, that will need to be dealt with too. Joints can be braced and supported with tapes, and if you can do as Sue suggested and get your hands on some anti-inflammatories, that might help too. If it's actually deformed bones and joints then treating it at 3 months will be harder, although she isn't done growing so it's better to try and see if it helps.

Best of luck


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