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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2017 9:52 pm 
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BASIC CHECK LIST FOR THE SICK BIRD
Please answer these brief questions below, so we can help you as soon as possible.

Age: 3 years
Breed: Wyandotte bantam
Sex: F

Your Location- country, state (different areas/climates have different problems)
ANSWER: South Coast NSW

What is wrong? What symptoms have you noted? - As much detail as possible please.
ANSWER: I've been very busy with sick family over the last fortnight so not as attentive to chooks as normal. During the week I noticed one of the girls had poo stuck to her backend, the wyandottes have very fluffy rears so often have a bit of poo. I finally caught her to checked it out today and am quite horrified. She is the only one of 5 suffering with this, I have now isolated her.

What I thought was just a poo was a big clump all around her vent. It's not blocking her vent but attached to the feather shafts. I thought at first I could wash her, soaking in warm water with some Teatree oil and a splash of dettol and then snip off what couldn't be loosened. However I soon realised she has a skin problem, I'm wondering if it's fungal? I can't find anything searching here or online that matches. She has crusty bumps around her feather shafts, yellowish. No apparent mites or eggs. I was worried about her skin splitting so didn't pull at it too much, just tried to loosen what I could after a 10 min soak - not easy, she's still pretty feisty.

I haven't seen the chooks in action that much this past 2 weeks, she's usually the top of the pecking order. Her comb is red and her other feathers all looked great until I turned her over to look underneath. After I washed and isolated her, she seemed OK - eyes open, making quiet noises, eating & drinking. But the skin looks so grim I don't know what is the cause and how to help her.



What are you feeding? - Please list everything you're feeding to your birds, including type of basic feed, free ranging, scraps, extras, etc. If possible give approximate percentages.
ANSWER: crumble in the morning, a handfull of scratch mix to get them into the coop at night. Picked mixed greens, grass chickeweed, lettuce from my garden when they don't free range. Kitchen scraps daily - kids lunchbox left overs, fruit scraps, a bit of left over scrapings from dinner.


Full droppings description.- colour, consistency, frequency, offensive smell.
ANSWER:
droppings seem OK - and in the rest of the coop too. But she did smell unpleasant when I turned her over and washed.

Respiratory Changes?- eg. breathing sounds, discharge, laboured breathing, facial swelling
ANSWER: no problems

Digestive Changes?- eg. eating, drinking, crop filling & emptying
ANSWER:
seemed OK but I didn't really observe her in detail until I caughter her to check out the dirty bum - she seemed her normal bossy self this week.
Condition Changes?- eg. Weight, comb/wattle colour, skin, feathering
ANSWER: - maybe a bit lighter than usual. Crusty swollen patches on skin around fealther shafts, particularly around vent, oil gland and towards breast.

Behavioural Changes?- inc. socialising, laying, crowing, broodiness
ANSWER:
seems otherwise OK
Agility Changes? - eg. any lameness, favouring, energy levels
ANSWER:
none
Describe your usual worming routine and products. [If none, say so and skip the next 3 worming questions.] Do you have a cycle that you use eg. every 3 months, or every six months?
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Usually every 3 months
1. When was the bird last wormed??- approximate date.
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last wormed March - 5 months ago - usually more like every 3 months. Have been slack...
2. What product was used to worm the bird, and how was it given? ? eg. in the drinking water, on the skin, by injection?
ANSWER: Piperazine in the drinker.

3. Was a follow up dose given? (eg. 10-14 days later)
ANSWER: no

Any other recent medications?- antibiotics, coccidiosis meds, herbal remedies, etc
ANSWER: none - gave some Epsom salts in her drinker this afternoon (0.5 tsp in 500ml water)

Other changes? – additions to the flock, diet, housing, extreme weather
ANSWER:
Chooks moved from a small cage coop to a spacious corner of our shed in March. It's actually much cleaner and better than the cramped cage coop. They have been free ranging less though and have daily access to an enclosed yard next to the shed that is a smaller area than before as they were destroying too much. I let them free range in the afternoon for a few hours at least 2x week.
Photos? – any relevant photos are very helpful
INSERT HERE: see 2 photos uploaded, sorry they are grim to look at. Thanks for your help. I hope someone knows what this is....


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File comment: Looking along her breastbone - see her legs are nice and yellow - no scaly leg mites.
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File comment: photo showing accumulated crusty stuff and poo around vent. This is the stuff that wouldn't shift after soaking in warm water for 10 mins, I didn't want to pull as I can't tell what is part of her skin and what isn't.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2017 10:31 pm 
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Looks nasty what ever it is. I'd suggest a vet and skin scraping.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 8:18 pm 
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Thanks Sue55 - yes I took her to the vet for said scraping.

No mites found, he agreed it looks like a skin issue that's out of control. He removed much of the encrusted stuff around her vent which was brutal and removed skin. Just horrible, felt maybe euthanasing her would have been better. He said he could run more tests for internal parasites, fungal and other pathogens but it will cost $$$$ (the consult today was plenty enough), and the outcome will be the same - deworming, disinfecting the skin etc. She's on twice daily Betadine spray and oral Antibiotics. She will either make it or not. Just wondering if anyone has seen this before? It reminds me of out of control psoriasis but she's not been over preening, defeathering or anything to make me take a closer look until now sadly for her....
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 12:34 am 
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Cutaneous form of Mareks disease?

Cutaneous form: Enlarged reddened feather follicles and white bumps on the skin that form brown crusty scabs.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:16 am 
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Milo thanks, interesting thought.
I hope not.
Coastal chook pls keep us posted.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 12:07 pm 
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After brutal removal of some encrustations yesterday, AB and betadine treatment she is still up and clucking out in the pen today. I don't know what to do having just read about Mareks disease. The flock has been stable and the same for 3 years now, I got them all together as pullets plus 1 older hen from the breeder at a poultry auction. The mother hen dies after 6 months but the rest have been fine, other than some red mite in the previous coop. Shall I ask the Vet about Mareks? I don;t think hes an avian specialist.

Her skin is so encrusted in places, hard bumps of white skin, is there any point in trying to treat or shall I try and get her out of the coop asap?


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 12:14 pm 
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Any pointers to how to beat it if it's a fungal issue would be appreciated. I guess if it is a candida in origin, it will be made worse by the Antibiotics. I am giving them all some plain yoghurt.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 2:02 pm 
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If it is Mareks, they have all been exposed so there is no point in removing her for that reason. It does occur in older birds but mostly occurs about 16 weeks until lay (adolescents).


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