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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 11:58 am 
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Location: Eton, Queensland
Age: 3 weeks
Breed: Australorp (Heritage Breed)
Sex: Female

Your Location- Eton, near Mackay QLD

What is wrong? What symptoms have you noted? - As much detail as possible please.
ANSWER: The chick was in an indoor brooder with 5 other chicks. No symptoms at all in any other chicks (2 more Australorps, 3 x Isa Browns). 4 days ago, found this one chick stumbling around the brooder, curled right toe, and drooping right wing. Removed her from the brooder and set her alone in a warm box. Hoping it was just a bad bump from another chick or crashing into the feeder/waterer, as chicks do. After a few hours of rest she seemed fine, quieter than usual, but steady on her feet again, so I put her back in the brooder with the other chicks. The brooder is indoors so I have been keeping a very close eye on all the chicks (brooder is in my office). She appeared fine again, until next afternoon, noticed same thing, this time left foot curling from time to time and left wing drooping. Removed her again for solo rest, came good, put her back in with the other chicks. Next day, all day, pretty good. This morning, stumbling again, curled right toe and slightly drooping right wing. The curling and wing droop is always just one side at a time, but moves from the left side to the right side each time I notice it. Have set her up in her own brooder now, and for the last couple hours she appears to be fine again. I am reluctant to cull as Australorps are hard to come by here, if I can see her through whatever is wrong I'd like to be able to return her to the brooder.

What are you feeding? - Please list everything you're feeding to your birds, including type of basic feed, free ranging, scraps, extras, etc. If possible give approximate percentages.
ANSWER: Filtered Eton tapwater (we do have a high level of selenium in our town water, and also heaps of calcium, so we filter everything). Feeding standard chick starter crumbles, Cooloola Custom Stockfeed, 21.41% Crude Protein, 12.00MJ Met Eenergy as Fed, 4.54% Crude Fibre


Full droppings description.- colour, consistency, frequency, offensive smell.
ANSWER:appear totally normal compared to that of the other chicks.

Respiratory Changes?- eg. breathing sounds, discharge, laboured breathing, facial swelling
ANSWER: opens her mouth alot, but not gasping.

Digestive Changes?- eg. eating, drinking, crop filling & emptying
ANSWER:totally normal eating and drinking

Condition Changes?- eg. Weight, comb/wattle colour, skin, feathering
ANSWER: good weight, she's actually the best weight and size of the 3 chicks I got from local Australorp breeder

Behavioural Changes?- inc. socialising, laying, crowing, broodiness
ANSWER: during the periods of toe curling, she's sitting down and resting. And she's very quiet - she was my most rambunctious chick, always first to try flying out of the brooder when I opened the lid. Now she's placid and quiet.

Agility Changes? - eg. any lameness, favouring, energy levels
ANSWER: only the toe curling, wing droop, and stumbling already mentioned

Describe your usual worming routine and products. [If none, say so and skip the next 3 worming questions.] Do you have a cycle that you use eg. every 3 months, or every six months?
ANSWER: none yet

1. When was the bird last wormed??- approximate date.
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2. What product was used to worm the bird, and how was it given? ? eg. in the drinking water, on the skin, by injection?
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3. Was a follow up dose given? (eg. 10-14 days later)
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Any other recent medications?- antibiotics, coccidiosis meds, herbal remedies, etc
ANSWER:no

Other changes? – additions to the flock, diet, housing, extreme weather
ANSWER:no

Photos? – any relevant photos are very helpful
INSERT HERE: haven't managed to get one during the full toe-curling/wing-drooping. Got one just now after she got up from a toe-curl and she was laying on one side. Got up on both feet when I approached the brooder, and saw her left toe curled but then she stood up and toes splayed normally. Left wing a tad drooped though, in this pic (not a full droop) and mouth open. Otherwise appears a normal healthy 3 week old Australorp Chick.

Any advice would be helpful. Am wondering if chick may be susceptible to high selenium levels? It is a problem in our local town water bore.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 1:37 pm 
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Selenium! It sounds possibly neurological. One of the sometimes successful treatments is Vit E and Selenium. Some people administer them specifically but doseage is guesswork. Try her on some complete. Avian vitamins - dbl strength for 24 hours and then a couple of days at regular strength (ok for all the chicks).
If it is going to help you will see results almost immediately.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 4:25 pm 
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Thanks so much Old Mother Goose.

Is there a brand you use for either the Vit E or Avian vitamins? I've never purchased anything like this before and will have to see if it's something I can get here in Mackay (hoping the pet stores might stock whatever you recommend, the prices at the local Vets here are ghastly!)

I'm a way out of town, so I took a punt and poked a hole into a human VitE Oil tablet. Gave the chick 3 drops, which she seemed to like. Blow me down, within ten minutes she's doing laps around her brooder, unsteadily, but no falls, and then taking great delight in scratching her head with one leg, while standing on the other and not falling over.

I will keep a watch on her, and when I get into town I will get some Avian vitamins. If you can recommend any specific brand or something you use, that would be great.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:15 pm 
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Sounds hopeful (but don't count your chickens before they hatch).
I use Soluvet (Vetafarm) but only because that's what my local Petstock sells. It lists Vit E but not Selenium.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:23 pm 
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Thanks Heaps!

I will try to find it or similar.

Our bore water has too much selenium already even if we filter it, so may not be a problem if it's not in the vitamin mix.

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Rae

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 6:14 pm 
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Thanks again Sue.

I am astounded at the improvement with just a few drops of vitamin E.

I have given it to her 3 times a day, just a drop or two on my finger and she actually likes to lap it off my finger (or lick it, or whatever chooks do). She's still a tiny bit unsteady on her feet, but not toe curling or drooping the wing, so I'll keep it up and see how we go, until I can get an avian vitamin in town.

I never would have though of the vitamin E. Brilliant.

Blessings,

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