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 Post subject: BUYING AN INCUBATOR
PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 6:32 pm 
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Buying an Incubator

An incubator is a specialised piece of equipment, and often one of the largest single purchases a poultry keeper will make, so it’s important to do lots of research before attempting to artificially hatch eggs. Searching the BYP forum is a great place to start looking for information. Things to consider could include:

• Auto, semi auto, or manual turning
• Wafer or electric thermostat
• Egg capacity
• Still air or fan forced
• Australian made, home made, or imported
• Humidity control
• New or second hand
• Availability of parts
• Longevity and durability
• Cost (value for money)
• Reliability
• Warranties and guarantees
• Resale value

But it’s also important not to overlook safety. Just like any other electrical appliance, it is important to note that if it has been deemed acceptable for Australian Standards does not necessarily mean its approved by the Electrical Safety Authority for use in Australia. This particularly applies when purchasing some machines directly from overseas, and if an advertised incubator seems too good to be true, then its probably worth looking into further.

Happy hatching :chicks:



* Buying an Incubator from somewhere Overseas - Buyer Beware

Buying within Australia is safer and there are more protections in place. However, issues are now cropping up where consumers within Australia are buying incubators from overseas through websites or online auction sites such as ebay.com.au. In many cases overseas products that are claimed to comply with Australian Standards actually do and the purchaser is satisfied. If the item is safe and in working order and complies with our standards it is fine to use it and enjoy hatching with it. It is, however, a case of 'Buyer Beware.'

When dealing with internationally based companies, you may not be protected by Australian law. It is important that you read any contractual terms that apply to your purchase, and ask the seller what policies or procedures they have in place if things go wrong. Product standards in the country of manufacture may be different to Australia and there is always some risk that the item will arrive in an unusable condition.

If a purchaser in Australia receives an incubator that is non-compliant, it is illegal to plug it in even if it is in working condition. It may be unsafe. You can communicate with the seller in an effort to have the appliance changed or returned, but that may not be successful. You can take the incubator to a local registered technician who can check the unit over, effect any necessary changes and tag the unit as compliant with Australian Standards. A basic check and tag might cost between $20 and $50, but cost of any changes would be additional to that.

It is not only illegal to purchase a non-compliant incubator, it would then be illegal to sell it to anyone else. In addition, if you used it and a fire or other accident resulted, your insurance would be void.

SUMMARY

* Buying inside Australia is the safest option
* Buy products compliant with Australian Standards
* Preferably buy products labelled as such
* If buying overseas, check the 'Buying from Overseas' Tips Below
* Ask for proof that your product is Australian Standards compliant
* Consult with an expert if you are not sure



Some Relevant Sites:
Electrical Regulatory Authorities Council
The Australian Competition and Consumer Commission – Online Auctions
The Australian Competition and Consumer Commission – Buying from Overseas
The Australian Competition and Consumer Commission – The Online Shopper’s Checklist
The Australian Competition and Consumer Commission – Product Safety Australia

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This topic has been unlocked for input from the community.

We have been told that there are ways in which the above post is inaccurate or needs improvement. As it's two years old it seens reasonable to review it.

If you have edits or additions to contribute, please post them below so that that suggestions given in this topic represent the best possible advice from our community. :-D

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Hi There
Just some feedback on this thread.
I too was very cautious of buying from overseas but we purchased two Hovobator Fully Automatic fan forced incubators from the "Incubator Warehouse" in the States and we did our homework and cannot fault this company.
We had a faulty auto turn motor in the second one (wasn't actually faulty just vibrated and we are fairly cluey but could not pintpoint the cause) so we contacted them and they had a new motor to us within 10 days and we did not have to return the original one beforehand. :yess It worked out for my hatching well.
The incubators come with a electrical conversion for Australian Power and the company overall is great to deal with.
We had (before we bought the second Hovobator) bought two "so called Janoel fully automatics" from China.
We had really done our homework (so we thought) but when they arrived there was one or two very hard to pick details that we did not notice untill we got them home.
They worked fine but the alarm system drove me nuts.
A simple rule - If the grammar is not correct or there is a variation on the packaging or the labelling on the machine or the boxes! Don't go there.
This is not a criticism as most goods come from overseas but as stated in the thread, Do your homework.
We resold these and the chap we bought them off loved them, as I said they were not faulty but they just weren't what I had thought they were.
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I'm VERY new to BYP and i remember reading (before i became a member) a post about the Chinese made JN7-56. I bought one and it's giving very poor results. Strangely, most chicks do well up to pipping time. Any advice?


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:read Still looking to upgrade from a manual hovea just not sure the r com seems to be what everyone is happy with but the pro 50 is so expensive what's people thoughts on the suri model love this site :clnava


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Lost of people have and like the King Suro. Still a really good machine, with the same reliability of the other models. Just a different design ad a different way of moving the eggs. Definitely a very good option :)

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:th :read might be the way to go


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 29, 2014 11:09 am 
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You don't really need a pro 50 Westy the Standard 50 is just as good and cheaper.

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Oh really what is the biggest difference


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The main differences are that with the PRO you can select a species and it will automatically set everything to suit that species (chicken, duck, quail, turkey etc). Using this setting the PRO will automatically stop turning the eggs three days before hatch. With the PRO you can adjust turning angle and frequency of turning.

If you are only doing chicken eggs then you don't need those features and I'd just get the Standard. I think (not sure) that you have to tell it when to stop turning, so you need to remember to do that, but that's not exactly difficult :)

You can compare them here on the Bellsouth website:

RCOM 50 Standard:
http://eshop.bellsouth.com.au/epages/be ... OM%2050%22

RCOM 50 PRO:
http://eshop.bellsouth.com.au/epages/be ... 2050PRO%22

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As Rach has said, the standard you need to remember to stop the turn and open the vent at Day 18. Otherwise its a set and forget incubator.

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Teejay wrote:
I'm VERY new to BYP and i remember reading (before i became a member) a post about the Chinese made JN7-56. I bought one and it's giving very poor results. Strangely, most chicks do well up to pipping time. Any advice?


The thing that is easiest for beginners to overlook is the quality of the eggs that are set. They have to be sound and loaded with all the right nutrients, particularly vitamins, to get the chick through until it is self sufficient on it's own diet.
A common complaint with Janoels seems to be problems with humidity. Perhaps some or all of the hygrometers are wildly inaccurate prompting people to run them at excessive humidity levels? It is much safer to have lower rather than higher humidity.
An easy way to keep a check on how the humidity is going is to weigh a representative sample of the eggs and chart the weight loss.


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Do,u know is,the IM a easy incubator to use my friend just got a big one


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I've brought a janoel 96 hope I'm made the right decision will look around for a theomator that you put inside but gives you the reading outside seen one on a video any body know where l would get one will set it up but not hatching ATM just to make sure it's working as brought second hand on research if it's labeled Janoel does that mean it's not the Chinese one thanks for you ideas most appreciated and always willing to take advice lol sale fell thru he going to keep it :nuts :oops:back to searching


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Westy wrote:
I've brought a janoel 96 hope I'm made the right decision will look around for a theomator that you put inside but gives you the reading outside seen one on a video any body know where l would get one will set it up but not hatching ATM just to make sure it's working as brought second hand on research if it's labeled Janoel does that mean it's not the Chinese one thanks for you ideas most appreciated and always willing to take advice lol sale fell thru he going to keep it :nuts :oops:back to searching


I am new to this incubator thing! I think that my daughter has bought the same 96 Janoel but the instruction are really bad. I am thinking that she has purchased a knock off!

Wondering if you have had any success? Also wondering if you have to change the trays around?

I am a little confused, but trying to work it out!


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