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PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2011 10:21 am 
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Hi I had the following cockerel and pullet turn up in the breeding this year. Their fathers are the beginnings of a breeding program to create jubilee orps and are a Buff orp cross speckled sussex. Their mothers will either be the same cross as their father or pure speckled sussex. The cockerel resembles a red sussex but needs work on the black in hackle, the pullet does not have any black.

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They are only young and still need to do some growing. I understand that red sussex are rare and would like to breed some up.

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1. if I was to put the cockerel over a light sussex hen what color prodgeny would I get?
2. Would I be etter to use light or buff sussex to help improve the black needed in their hackle's? as well as size and type?

Any suggetions would be greatly appreciated.

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PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2011 12:24 pm 
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Best mate him back to a speckled and select the non mottled offspring, and you should see some better neck markings from that also and would retain the slate undercolour. It wouldn't be wise to go to a light or a buff hen if the red is your goal as you will loose the slate undercolour and lighten them up too much.

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just being nosey, but from what sort of chook has that single feather lying by the wheel in the 2 pics come from?

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PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2011 1:24 pm 
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Your main problem is that Red Sussex should be an Eb Brown based Red Columbian, ie eb/eb with added Mahogany.
The Speckled Sussex should be the same but with Mottling added.
Unfortunately both Buff & Light Sussex are eWh Weaten based which will give you at best a Black Tailed Red, with no marking in the neck hackle.
Both birds shown are Wheaten, with added Columbian & no Mahogany.
Going back to an eb based Speckled is your best bet, they will have a blue/grey undercolour.
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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2011 12:17 am 
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Thanks for your replies.

poultch the feather is of a guinea fowl. Well done to spot that.


David should I put the pullet back to a speckled roo as well? or not use her due to her lack of any black?
and the cockerel should i look for speckled sussex hens with the least amount of speckleds or does it not matter?

Thanks again for your time.
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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2011 11:52 am 
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Took a photo of the boys undercolor as best I could by myself this morning,

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Tried to do the same with the pullet but could not hold her still enough. Will try when my lovely wife gets home.

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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2011 12:58 pm 
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thanks MickD for the gineafowl feather explaination, kinda shows I dont have any myself not to realise it didn't come from a chook.

you should be able to use the pullet back to a speckled, in the same manner as you would the cockerel as well, or you could just interbreed these 2 and select the brown coloured hatched chicks (not the burnt orange ones - they will be wheatons as David explained above).

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PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2011 10:44 pm 
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here is the undercolor of the pullet

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Dear Mick D. Just wanted to know how your red Sussex project went


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Mark, Mick hasn't visited the forum for several years - you could try to pm if you want to contact him


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