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 Post subject: Re: Meal worms & maggots
PostPosted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 5:54 pm 
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Gallant Game
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Being an ex Aussie finch breeder I also use & breed meal worms, its not hard.
I find them very handy for show training.
Because birds love them so much they usualy jump over one another to get to them & it dosent take long to get them eating out of your hands.
Put your bird, birds in there training pen (show cages).
Get a white coat like the judges wear.
Every time you or someone is going past the pens, put on the coat &
give them a worm or so each. Do this for about a week or so before the
show.
At the show, nomatter what there doing in there pens, they nearly jump
out of there skin & come to front of the pen when they see the judge
(WHITE COAT)
I also breed maggots & you can produce millions in a few icecream containers in under a week.
I only feed maggots that I breed. Maggots from the bin,compost heap,
meat etc caused to many problems & disease in my finches & other birds
in the past. (poultry are birds).
Any info reg: breeding maggots, please ask. I've been dooing it for 10 years.
REGARDS
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OK - I'll ask!

How do you intentionally breed maggots?

DH had a great try with fogetting a packet of pilchards and left them on top of the old freezer downstairs. Choice in the height of a full-on Queensland summer - NOT! :shock: He has also treated us to a huge cat fish hung from a tree!
YUKKKKKK!

I would love to knowthe alternatives!

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 Post subject: Breeding maggots
PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 12:18 am 
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First, get or build a box approx 400 by 400mm I used 16mm mellamine
it needs to hold the heat in winter. Get some fly screen to cover the front
Make it removable for future cleaning but dont leave any gaps. Install a light fitting & globe for heat. On one side cut a hole large enough to fit the type of container your going to use in & out. I use 2 litre ice cream containers. Get a stocking & attach the waist side around the hole (no gaps). Leave it long & cut the toe off. You put the containers in & out through the stocking with very little or no flíes getting out. Tie a loose knot to stop escapees. For food & water get 2 small containers (cup size) one with lid. Cut a hole in the lid, half fill the cup with cotton wool then fill with water & put the lid on pulling the end of the wool out to form a wick. This stops the bowl filling with dead flys & having to clean & refill every day. The other is filled with sugar. Place in box.
I get a bag full of bush fly pupae (this fly is about half the size of the common house type) put in container & put in box. Keep heat over 25 deg
I run mine at about 35. Heat alone wont turn the pupae into flys, you need humidity. A spray bottle with water & a slight soaking when there is low humidity in the air works well. 3 to 7 days later the hotter the quicker the box will be full of flies. Allow a day or so for them to mature & mate.
Put 4 cups bran to 1 cup full cream milk powder in each container I use 3, add water. The mix when squeezed in your hand should ooze out between your fingers without dripping water (now milk) Put in the box.
The top of the mix will form a crust.
3 days later take them out, lift the crust & the container should be full of maggots. Make another mix & start again. Every third mix or when the fly numbers start dropping I leave one container in to start the process again.
The full cycle takes 2 weeks at the most.
add 4 cups fresh bran to each container of maggots and pour the the lot in something like a kitty tray. Leave for a day this helps any moist bran to dry quick & maggots to clean themselves out. Happy Feeding.
Ps:To stop your mix going off in the box (milk & heat) you need plenty maggots & for that you need plenty flys. If all the flys landed you shouldnt see the walls .The more the better. Dont forget to check there food & water. ANY FLÍES IN THE HOUSE EVEN THOUGH THEYRE NOT BUSH FLIES WILL BE YOUR FAULT. You should have seen my wife's face when I
started bringing termites home. Anyway thats another story
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 Post subject: Bush Fly Pupae ?
PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 3:39 pm 
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Hi Mario, I 've got to ask where on earth do you get bush fly pupae ? Also could you tell me a bit more about breeding meal worms I'm in Newcastle and cant find anyone who has them. Thats why I thought breding maggots would be easier.
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Hi Jo, if you want to learn about Meal Worms, check out this link, viewtopic.php?t=3802 . Plenty of people on BYP are growing them!! :D


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Hi Jo.
I originaly got mine from other finch breeders.
The Finch Society of Australia has a Newcastle branch,
contact the president John Buttler on 49-383-552 he should
be able to help you out.
If you cant find meal worms at any bird shop, reptile shops
should have them.
I use a 20 litre container, fill it just under half way with bran &
chicken mash & put the worms in. I add more bran & mash every
couple of weeks or when it gets low (thats what they eat). A couple
of bannana skins for moisture replaced every 3 days or so then
let nature take it's course. Hope this helps.
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Thanks Mario ! I'll let you know how it goes.
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Thanks Tropical Chooks, just saw your post and followed the link. Sounds like fun these meal worms
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Hi Mario,
great thread, thanks for posting the info.

Is it safe to do the same sort of thing but starting with maggots bred on smelly meat? Rather than bought maggots? (Trying to buy maggots would only confirm every Kiwi's thoughts about us Aussies! :roll: :lol: )

I've got some started in a bran barrel that I biffed a couple of fleshy bones onto. Seems like a brilliantly simple way of growing free protein, but I'm a little leery of botulism ... is a couple of days in clean bran enough? Or do I need to keep the whole generation clean (so to speak)?

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This might sound silly but I have at times in the past bought "gents" from the local tackle shop.
And my girls loved them :wink:


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 Post subject: maggot breeding
PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 2:46 pm 
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Melamine wood box would eventually absorb moisture and smell from the meat and be hard to clean and would always smell
..And heat Why do you need heat .This is Aust where flies breed like crazy on there own..
Why waste energy.
This is what i do ..Put a 70mm layer of chicken litter in a plastic tub ( i use large butchers warrecks )wet with a hose them lay meat scraps fish chicken etc on top .
Cover tub with wire mesh to stop cats foxes and crows stealing the meat .

Let the flies do there bit _lay lotsa eggs .
When you see the maggots have hatched cover with dry litter wood shavings dry leaves raked from garden or street shredded news paper or even a layer of dirt etc .

A 70mm layer of this will stop the mix from drying out and stop the smell from escaping ..
7-14 days later (depending on temp and variety of fly you attracted) you will see maggots crawling over the top of mix .
If you dont see them just dig in with a stick and see how they are progressing .
When you think they big eneough tip them into the chook yard or onto trays .
A large tub of gents i feed to them over several days .

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 Post subject: Re: maggot breeding
PostPosted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 4:59 pm 
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petedrums wrote:
Melamine wood box would eventually absorb moisture and smell from the meat and be hard to clean and would always smell
..And heat Why do you need heat .This is Aust where flies breed like crazy on there own..
Why waste energy.
This is what i do ..Put a 70mm layer of chicken litter in a plastic tub ( i use large butchers warrecks )wet with a hose them lay meat scraps fish chicken etc on top .
Cover tub with wire mesh to stop cats foxes and crows stealing the meat .

Let the flies do there bit _lay lotsa eggs .
When you see the maggots have hatched cover with dry litter wood shavings dry leaves raked from garden or street shredded news paper or even a layer of dirt etc .

A 70mm layer of this will stop the mix from drying out and stop the smell from escaping ..
7-14 days later (depending on temp and variety of fly you attracted) you will see maggots crawling over the top of mix .
If you dont see them just dig in with a stick and see how they are progressing .
When you think they big eneough tip them into the chook yard or onto trays .
A large tub of gents i feed to them over several days .


Well.... I was inspired...! Cheers..!

My first maggot production line is underway with the use of some fish heads left over from a fishing trip this morning...

My setup was completed and set to work at midday today... I can tell you that within 2 hours there were maggots visible in several areas on the fish heads. We (my daughter and I) are very excited... Can't wait to feed some to the chooks...

The wife..? Well.... She's pretty shitty with the whole thing.... :roll:

Will take some photies and post them during the week...

Nath...


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OK...... What do you think about using chicken as maggot feed..?

I'm knocking the heads off 6 chooks and was thinking that I'll use the left overs to generate more maggots....

The maggots can be easily separated from the chicken so that no chicken bits end up in the pen...

Nath...


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Well..... As Borat would say.... "Great Success"....

I separated the left over fish bits from the maggots 2 days ago.... Not that any physical separation was needed. Once the maggots had eaten every last stitch of flesh from the fish they went down into the mulch I had in the base of the container..... We dug into the mulch to find 2 fist sized balls of maggots..! 8) And to my surprise, there was no smell whatsoever....

The problem: 6 chook pens and only 1 tub of maggots (mental note: Need more fish next time)...... The lucky pen was CP4, my mixed Bantam pen...

The rest is history... I've got 2 words.... FEEDING FRENZY..!

Now it's back to the drawing board to design a mass maggot farm..!

Give it a go...

Nath..

PS: Yes..... Still married..... Just..... I think..... :roll:


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