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Here is some useful info on worming products...

TREATMENTS AVAILABLE
Make sure you re-worm them again in 14 days time to get rid of any that develop after the first worming.... this is very important


Coumaphos (Meldane)
Large round worms
Capillary worms
Cecal worms
0.003 percent
For 14 days
Feed additive
Never use within 3 weeks of a previous worming


Droncit
Tapeworm
Tablets
crush tablet and put into a mixture of 4 bits of rolled oats and drizzle of honey...make into a pellet and force feed the bird... off first to see if she will eat it without force feeding sometimes they do ... but if she doesn't want to eat it.. then you will have to force feed it to her...you may need to make up two small pellets


Flubenvet
Worms
1 teaspoon to 5 kg of dry feed, mix, allow bird to eat the feed
Powder added to feed


Hygromycin B
Large round worms
Capillary worms
Cecal worms
Added continually into mash at a rate of 0.00088 – 0.00132 percent
Feed additiveWithdrawal period is 7 days

Levamisole (tetramisole)
Capillary worms
Gape worms
Wide variety of nematodes
10 ml per gallon of water1 day only
Affects the nervous system of the parasite, paralysing the worm


Levamisole Injectable (tetramisole)
Capillary worms
Gape wormsWide variety of nematodes
Inject subcutaneously (beneath the skin) one time only at the rate of 25 mg per 2 pounds of body weight (25mg/kg)
Affects the nervous system of the parasite, paralysing the worm


Mebendazole
Spiral stomach worms
Common round worms
Thorny headed worms
10 mg for each 2 pounds of body weight (10mg/kg)For 3 days
Is based on thiabendazole



Meldane see Coumaphos
Large round worms
Capillary worms
Cecal worms
0.003 percentFor 14 days
Feed additive
Never use within 3 weeks of a previous wormingWithdrawal period is 7 days


Phenothiazine
Cecal worms only
0.05 grams per bird for 1 day only
Withdrawal 7 daysVery toxic


Piperazine - oral dose
Large round worms
Oral dose of 50 to 100 mg per bird
Given once only
Paralyses worms


Piperazine - given in water
Large round worms 10 ml to 1 litre of water or 3 ml per gallon of water
Paralyses worms
Give for 4 hours
Repeat dose in 10 to 14 days
Withdrawal 7 days


Prazivet
Tapeworm
5 ml to 1 litre of water


Tetramisole – see Levamisole


Thiabendazole Gape worms
Common round worms
0.5 percent for 14 days
Individual treatment calls for 75 mg for each 2 pounds of bird’s weight (75mg/kg)
Feed additive
Due to its extended treatment period, thiabendazole is effective against emerging worm larvae as well as adult parasites
Withdrawal is very short as this drug moves through the birds really fast


Tramizo
Worms
20 mg per bird per day for 1 to 2 daysor 1 gm per gallon water


Wazine Worms
Same as Piperazine



Natural Treatments for worms

Garlic – it is said that many mites will not feast on a bird with garlic in their skin

1. Treatment:
Mince up a garlic clove and add it to the mash each day
Do this over 7 days
Reduce the vegetable intake while doing this to get the full effect
Recommended dose is 1 or 2 cloves per fowl

2. Treatment:
A good way to give birds garlic is to make a cold extract by standing several cloves of crushed garlic in half a cup of water for 6-8 hours. Use an eyedropper or teaspoon to administer the extract to each bird.

3. Treatment:
Alternatively, place the garlic extract in the fowl’s drinking vessels for several days in a row just before the full moon. Keep plain water away from them while using this method of administration

4. Treatment:
Another method is to crush garlic cloves and put them into a stocking. Leave the stocking to hang in the fowl’s water for a week. Use about 20g of garlic to 1 litre of water. After a week’s break. Repeat the treatment. Repeat it again after 3 months

5. Treatment:
You can also feed finely chopped garlic tops to your poultry. The birds will generally eat only what they need. Remember, however, that garlic is rich in sulphur; excessive garlic should not be given to hens that are laying, or the smell will taint the eggs.

Anti-worm recipe--A mash to rid one average sized fowl of worms can be made using:
1 handful of wormwood and tansy tips
1 leaf of comfrey
1 cup of crushed oats or barley
1 clove of garlic
Water

Chop up the wormwood and tansy tips, and the comfrey leaf. Add the chopped leaves and the clove of crushed garlic to a cup of crushed oats or barley. Mix with a little water to make a gluggy porridge and feed the mixture as the only food every second day, for 3 days. Give a little grain on alternate days

The amounts specified will make enough mash to treat one fowl. Increase amounts for extra birds

Other herbal remedies
Alternatively, or additionally, you can ad finely chopped anti-worm herbs to the fowl’s feed on a regular basis – every full moon, say. The birds will eat only what they need, however. As a starting point the herbs should make up about 20% of the ration

Anti worm herbs include
The condition of the intestine becomes undesirable to the worms
All of these should be used in conjunction with garlic, it is the garlic + that makes it work for most chickens anyway, but you will always find some that are resistant to this sort of treatment, and you will have to resort back to the medication side of things

The leaves of horseradish, garlic, elder, cotton-lavender, rue (fresh or dried in small amounts), hyssop, goat’s rue, bramble, Pacific coral tree and white cedar
Onions
Carrots Grated or cooked (does not work on all worms), Wild black carrot is more effective than the ordinary every day grocery store carrot (so they say)
Wormwood tips, or dried and powdered wormwood tops NOT RECOMMENDED DUE TO POISINING, toxic if given in larger than 2% of total mixture
Tansy flowers and seed
Mustard and pumpkin seeds

Nasturtium seed are also a good wormer, as well as having a tonic, antiseptic and medicinal action. The birds will eat only what they need so you can experiment to determine how much is needed; observe amounts left over and adjust rations accordingly. The seeds can be preserved in vinegar. In fact, a little apple cider vinegar in the drinking water will also help repel worms

Fast and laxative diet – wormy birds that are not already weak or quite sick can be put on a short fast then a laxative diet. Senna is a herb used for purging after a fast. A popular laxative, senna helps restore the digestive system. Steep 1 ½ pods per hen in cold water for 4 hours. Add a good pinch of powdered ginger to help disinfection and reduce the griping caused by senna

An old Anglo-Indian herbal remedy for round worms – is to mix
1 teaspoon of castor oil
5 grains of powdered Kamala*
8 drops turpentine (real gum turpentine)
5 drops oil of male fern (if you can get it – it’s a little hard to come by these days)
Let the birds fast for a day before giving a single dose of this mixture
*Kamala, an Asian tree, (Mallotus philippinensis), having hairy capsular fruit, the powder obtained from the capsules of this tree, used as a dye and formerly to treat tapeworm and ringworm infestations.
Cheers
Looloo

Hi Looloo,
Thanks for that info.
I can't believe there are so many worms!
Is there one med that does the important ones?
What do most people use to worm their birds?
Lucy

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I use piperazine and your list states 7 day withholding period. However, on the bottle it says that it has nil withholding periods.
I've been eating the eggs. I hope this is alright.

Kate

At this time of year when I have heaps of chickens running around I use a wormer in the drinking water.Something like Nilverm or BigL.This is because it is a bit more economical.I do everyone with this at the start of both spring and summer.Then in Autumn when the birds have been thinned out I will use either Moxidectin or Ivomectin.I do them again at the onset of winter before the breeding season.As my birds run out all the time I like to keep the worm situation under control.I normally put apple cider vinegar in their water every couple of weeks as well.I also dip my birds twice a year (autumn & spring) in Maldison.As much as I dislike using a lot of chemicals I find this works the best and keeps my fowls lice & mite free.

Swallow it sounds like you have your finger on the pulse...good for you.
Looloo

Looloo, thanks for the information, there are so many parasites, I thought keeping chickens was going to be easy:roll:
I have been dealing with a persistant worm problem in one pen of pekin bantams, I'm now using moxydectin as recommended by Looloo and others. Today I had to take some hens to the vet due to a low grade respiritory infection. I was discussing the worm problem with the vet and he said that tapeworm can cause such an infection as they lay their eggs in the mucous membranes of the repiratory system. He said the only drug that kills tapeworm is Praziquantel. My version of Moxidectin has this included, but the vet said not all Moxydectin or other poultry wormers have. Hope this may be of interest

Cheers, Allie

Hi Allie...thanks for that tip..it is true that not all wormers contain praziquantal. You mentioned that your chooks have a low grade resp infection....Allie are they rattling/wheezing/sneezing?...what does their breathing sound like?...any mucous coming from holes in beak or from their mouth?...If any of these symptoms are present...consider using Tylan200 injectible...this is a brilliant drug and really hits CRD quickly on the head...You should be able to buy the injectible one from veternarians and they will tell you the correct dosage..it goes on body weight.. and it has to be injected intramuscularly preferably into the breast muscle...They will show you how to do this and with a bit of practice you will be able to do it...This is one product I always have on hand...CRD really hits chooks quickly and I like to have my finger on the pulse and act asap when I know that they have this..
Looloo

One little pekin hen sounds snotty, just like a child with a cold. Not especially unwell, still laying. The vet injected antibiotic and gave me "psittavet" to put in the drinking water. The other hen that is sick and two roosters are showing even less signs; comb and wattles darken on exertion (lack of oxygen) and some breathing with mouth open. None of them appear very sick, just not quite right. The four of them are isolated with the medicated water to drink, hopefully this will fix them up. Is this medication one that you are familliar with Looloo?

Allie

Hi

Do you ever use the Paramectin(Abamectin) Pour on at all?
I see that it is much cheaper than Ivemectin Pour on.

Johannes

Alli.........Product Name: PSITTAVET

Ingredients:
Doxycycline HCL

Guaranteed Analysis:
Doxycycline HCL 4%

Available Sizes:
25g, 100g, 450g, 900g

Directions:
Parrots:
4 g in 400 mL drinking water
Pigeons:
4 g in 800 mL drinking water
For Chlamydia infections treat birds for 45 days.
For other susceptible infections treat birds for 7-10 days.
Remove all other drinking water supply and change medication water daily.
Do not treat during cold wet conditions (birds drink very little)
Use glass, stainless steel, or glazed pottery water drinkers (do not use terracotta, plastic, or galvanized metal)
Do not place medicated water in direct sunlight. Shade or shelter containers.
Replenish water in the evenings, not mornings. This allows birds access to active medication before roosting and at first light.
Psittavet may be made up and stored in the refrigerator for 7-10 days.
Do not mix other chemicals with Psittavet - it is a fragile chemical.
Other Applications
Psittavet may be used wherever Doxycycline is indicated. Dogs, cats, rodents, and fish may develop Doxycycline responsive conditions. Check with your veterinarian.
Psittacosis is a zoonoses (disease that affects animals and man).
Appropriate precautions should be be used when handling birds with psittacosis.

Notes:
For treatment of psittacosis/ornithosis (caused by chlamydia psittaci) and other susceptible bacterial diseases in caged and aviary birds and pigeons by drinking water medication.

Storage & Availability:
Store below 30°C (room temperature). Available in Australia and for export.

So does the vet suspect psittacosis?? If not then I would still give the tylan200...this will work quicker for resp complaints then Doxycycline.
Bear in mind your chooks don't seem to you that they are very sick but by the time we notice symptoms they are very sick indeed...they are masters at hiding their symptoms..Open mouth breathing is a worry..
Looloo
Looloo

Johannes...I have never used it before...will do a check up on it...thanks for the tip.
Looloo

Johannes here is some info on Paramectin?Abamectin.


Particulars of Application
Product Name: PARAMECTIN POUR-ON FOR CATTLE
Applicant Company: Jurox Pty Limited
Active Constituent: abamectin
Signal Heading: Schedule 5
Statement of Claim: For the treatment and control of abamectin
sensitive internal and external parasites of cattle.
Pack Sizes: 1L, 2.5L, 5L
Proposed MRLs: Cattle milk 0.02 mg/kg
Withholding Period: Milk: nil
Summary of the NRA’s assessment of the application in accordance with sections 29(1)(e) of
the Agricultural and Veterinary Chemicals Code (the ‘Agvet Code’) scheduled to the
Agricultural and Veterinary Chemicals Code Act 1994.
It is obviously used on cattle and also sheep. It is a broad spectrum antiparasitic and comes in oral/injectible/pour on.
Now just because it says above that there is nil witholding for cows milk doesn't mean that this is a safe drug for use on our chooks...I personally have never used it and I don't know of anyone that has...Have you used it Johannes?...Its just that one has to be careful with any drug.
Looloo

Looloo, I dont think he suspect psittacosis, that's just the antibiotic he gives everyone for chickens. He's good in that he respects people carring about chickens and takes the time for a consult, but there is not a lot of specalist avian knowledge around in vet circles, well, not here in the country anyway. Maybe I should ask him about the Tylan200, is it only available as an injection?

"Moxidectin
Worms and external parasites
10 ml per 1 litre of water "

Looloo, is there a 'withholding' time for eggs using this product?

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Looloo

Now I haven't used it, but given the fact that it is a "mectin"-therefore related to ivemectin, one muts/can assume that it will have the same effect and also potential side effects with similar with holding periods that applies to ivemectin.
Tha main reason why I asked, is given the fact that it is much cheaper.

Regards
Johannes