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hi guys,

This morning I discovered a bloody dropping outside- it was either by the Guinea fowl or the little Pekin, both about 10 weeks old.

Unfortunately we cleaned it up before we thought about making a photo but I will try to describe it: The solid part looked a bit darker than usual (a bit like blood clots) and the liquid part was entirely red. The white bit was the only normal looking part.

I have just found another one- already dried out though, here is a photo:
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Any idea what this could be?

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Hi Clairetje,

My first thought would be coccidiosis.

You need to isolate the bird who did this dropping... if you're not sure who, then try isolating any of the 'possible offenders' to check the poos for a while, you'll soon find out who it was.

If both droppings were as bloody as the pictured one, then the birds probably in a bad way.
Have you/can you, notice anything else about them?
Try filling out the checklist stickie at the top of the forum, see what other signs they are showing.

We need to know things like, what they're eating, have they been medicated/wormed at all, are they lethargic or huddling... check the stickie.

Do you have any meds or anything on hand?
Have you seen poos like this in the past? or noticed anything else?

Isolating the sick one(s) and giving them a thorough going over, and looking at the rest of your birds for anything sus, if a good place to start at this point.

Cheers.


*I moved this post out of the "droppings photos" thread, so that it could get better attention.
I will also put a copy of the photo and details back into the droppings thread for future reference.


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I agree with Sammiiz, it could well be coccidiosis and the young ones are the right age for it.

I would treat both the youngsters with triple Sulfa drugs in their water for 7 days.
You can usually get this from a produce store, directions are on the label.

How old are your other birds? It might be worth treating them too if they are young.

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Any mulberries or blackberries in the area?


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Age: 10 weeks
Breed: Langshan - possibly the Pekin too
Sex: F

What symptoms have you noted?
perhaps a little lethargic, but not overly so. Perhaps a little less social

Full droppings description.
- dark red in liquid part, very liquid with small hard core, regular freqency it seems, frequency, offensive smell.

Please note if you have/can observe any changes in the following:
Respiration?
- eg. breathing sounds, discharge, laboured breathing, facial swelling
Condition?
they are a bit sneezy, and have a little clear mucus coming from their nostrils. The Pekin seems to have a little swelling in her face.

- eg. Weight, comb/wattle colour, feathering, skin
Behaviour?
combs seem a little pale, Pekin felt a little 'heavy' when I picked her up today.

- inc. socialising, feeding, laying, crowing, energy
Agility?
They are less energetic then usual. they have been laying down most of the day and doing a bit of dustbathing

- eg. any lameness, favouring

When was the bird last wormed?
They have never been wormed before

Any other recent medications?
Never had any medications.

Other changes?
– to the flock, housing, extreme weather
Just switched them from chick starter to Pullet Grower Mash and my hubby also gave them some laying mash. (I told him off for doing this as I am not sure if they can handle grains yet) They spend a lot of time running around the backyard scavenging and eating leaves etc. We do not have any berries or red fruit in the backyard.

I have Sulfa 3 at home in case we need it.

the Guinea fowl, Pekin and Langshan are always together and I know that at least two of them have the bloody droppings.
We have two hens (1x Australorp and 1 x Leghorn) which sometimes free range as well but they have not yet been in close contact with the little ones so I am hoping that they will be ok.
Speaking of free-ranging; we do get a lot of pigeons in our back yard, and they may have transmitted something..

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I also think cocci, they are the right age and if it has been wet (raining) at all, the most likely suspect.

Follow the directions on the sulpha 3 bottle. Do not overdose them, just do as the bottle says.

Chick starter and pullet grower both have a coccidistat in them. Layer mash doesnt.

J

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jocler wrote:

Chick starter and pullet grower both have a coccidistat in them. Layer mash doesnt.

J

does this mean that chooks are safe from Coccidiosis as long as they are on Chick starter or pullet grower? Is the food medicated to treat the disease or just to prevent the disease?

The Langshan is now nodding off while standing upright- first time I have seen this happen-she normally lies down if she's tired..

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Clairetje wrote:
jocler wrote:

Chick starter and pullet grower both have a coccidistat in them. Layer mash doesnt.

J

does this mean that chooks are safe from Coccidiosis as long as they are on Chick starter or pullet grower? Is the food medicated to treat the disease or just to prevent the disease?

The Langshan is now nodding off while standing upright- first time I have seen this happen-she normally lies down if she's tired..


No it doesn't mean they are safe from Coccidiosis

Sometimes the medication isn't sufficient to stop the outbreak

Sometimes its old stock and not working properly

Sometimes the birds have it before you start them on the medicated feed

The medicated feed does not make them better, it just helps to fight the disease and allow the birds immune system to build a resistance to the bugs.. but no guarantees

If you have the right temperature and grounds that are wet or being sprayed then you invite cocci to hit the birds.. doesnt matter if you feed them medicated or not

I don't bother to feed my birds medicated any more... I just have the sulphaquinn on hand .. and when I notice the first sign from the first bird. I medicated... knocked it on the head and they are over it and immune system kicks in ...

Never assume feeding medicated they will not get cocci... just not true

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I have now started them on the sulfaquin and have brought them inside for the evening.
Hopefully things will look up a bit tomorrow.
Thanks all for your help.

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All 'kids' are back to normal :D
Thank you all so much for your help, the sulfaquin worked!

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Good to hear Clairetje, thats great news :D

Now just keep an eye on them, build them up again and you're right as rain.
And now too, you'll have some experience under your belt for next time.

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Hi I have been reading this post with great interest as I noticed blood on the floor of my chickens (they are 5 weeks old). However, there was no poo only blood. Also, they all seem their usual selves no one seems lethargic so I am not sure whether to panic or not. I am really concerned about this blood but not sure where it has come from. I have checked them in case of scratches etc but can't see anything. any ideas?


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Read up about coccidiosis. I would get them onto Sulfaquin or a similar sulfa drug asap.
Sure it may have been an injury, but as you've found no other source of blood and they are at a susceptible age.........

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Do I need to get this from a vet?


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No you can get it from most pet / produce stores.

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