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 Post subject: Re: Welbars
PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 6:41 pm 
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It's really just a historical artefact that all the autosexing 'breeds' have Plymouth Rock in them. I personally don't see any reason to maintain the PR content.

They could easily be Barred Welsummers.


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 Post subject: Re: Welbars
PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 6:58 pm 
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Or Crele Welsummers.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 8:21 pm 
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So I'll start out on the straight and narrow with the standard approach. Any other out-cross experiments will be kept separate at this point, perhaps as side projects (if at all).

I penned up the foundation pair today. Here they are. Can't you just smell the potential?!

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Now I just have to wait 3 days for her to become fertile and then start collecting eggs to incubate; simple! :thumbs: (I just need her to start laying, however! :pray)

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 Post subject: Re: Welbars
PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 9:50 pm 
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Nick wrote:
Or Crele Welsummers.

Technically, if you breed them back to Welsummer enough till you get the type right and consistent then they will be none other than Creel Welsummers. You should be able to establish Silver Creel and Gold Creel, because use of the barred genes splits to silver and gold, as I understand it. So too, the Silver Creel, if good enough should be able to be bred back into non-creel Welsummers to re-establish a good silver duckwing Welsummer (a colour largely absent in Australia although I know of one breeder who re-established them using Silver Grey Dorkings; I don't know how good they are). How would you do that trick by the way, anyone (create silver duckwing from silver creel)?

I also have a Dark Red Welsummer I'm going to experiment with to either darken the partridge shade or establish Dark Red and/or Dark Brown Welsummers.

Here he is (magnificent bird in the flesh). He's practically exact for type as my very respectably well bred Welsummer cockerel (as seen prior in this thread):

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(What would be better to cross to ISA Brown by the way, this red boy or standard partridge boy?)

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 Post subject: Re: Welbars
PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 7:17 pm 
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In regards to creating Silver Duckwing Welsummers its been done, both with Dorkings and OEG. You also get silver duckwing coloured pullets in the process of breeding Welbars, very easy to breed out a dominant gene like barring.

You might be better to start a new topic regarding the above rooster. He looks like a Sussex to me.

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 Post subject: Re: Welbars
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Nick wrote:
In regards to creating Silver Duckwing Welsummers its been done, both with Dorkings and OEG. You also get silver duckwing coloured pullets in the process of breeding Welbars, very easy to breed out a dominant gene like barring.

You might be better to start a new topic regarding the above rooster. He looks like a Sussex to me.

Nick

:doh Yes, so easy to get off topic! It's the first sign of chicken madness! :nuts

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 Post subject: Re: Welbars
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Anyone out there still working on Welbars (or Barred Welsummers!)?


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