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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 4:26 pm 
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hi all,

I have a group of birds now 5.5 months old.
I had separated the cockerels from the pullets in the group some time ago, but changed my mind about one of them a month later.

This one was tagged as a boy at about 16 weeks old. At that time, relative to the rest of the hatch, the comb and wattle development was advanced and though not as big as the other boys, also not as small as the girls.

However, it seemed to stop developing male traits - wattles and comb didn't get any bigger, the legs are still girl like and stance is not "assertive". There has also been no "sparring" that you see amongst boys.....

This one is now MUCH smaller than the male counterparts, (and even some of the girls)……
If you use your imagination, there are some sickle-like feathers and the mantle feathers are definitely pointy, but what's with the otherwise slow development?

There's some pics, the grey boy in the group shot is from the same clutch of eggs - just so you can see the difference. I estimate he is twice the weight (5 kg) of this little light one (perhaps 2 kg). All the parents are BIG Sussex birds and I have never seen a runty bird from any hatch. In fact, even this one at 4 months was the same size as everyone else. It's quite healthy, not skinny, just small build and not maturing like the rest of the boys.

do you think he wants to change gender perhaps? ( :rofl: )
or maybe I will get some eggs?
Does anyone have experience to share, or some ideas about why/how?
have others seen early boy traits in girls or late boy development in boys?

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2018 10:26 pm 
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:35 pm 
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it looks like there could be saddle feathers coming, but not really sure.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 8:19 am 
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My best guess is a slow/backward boy.
By separating ckls from plts you have concentrated the raging hormones in the males.
When you have an all male group you get a severe pecking order that totally dominates some to a point their hormone development ceases.
In some instances this manifests as the top males completely dominating every aspect of the lower orders lives.
It does not appear to have been bashed or 'mated' but these things do often happen in these situations.
The effect is concentrated if the birds are closely confined to a relatively small area, there is nowhere to get away from the dominant males to stand any chance of normal development.
If they were free ranging with lots of room and normal activity then the effect would be minimal , an odd scrap and the parties can then separate and go on doing their own thing in peace.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 12:35 pm 
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Thanks all,

You're right Nelly, those are saddle feathers..... He's quite pretty.

Oaklands, thanks for the thoughts. I've heard about girls acting like roosters when no roo is present. I guess the reverse is also possible.
As long as there is no access to hens and pullets, the boys have been getting along quite well. They do have plenty of room, free ranging during most days and if confined, it is in approx 50 square metres of yard, presently for 6 cockerels, in a nice and shady spot. None of them have been bashed or involved in scuffles. Not sure if this is the reason, but I have an older cock with these younger boys, who seems to take charge of everyone and keeps the peace from day 1. (and actually, this is the one that will take on the rooster in the main flock if he gets a chance..... )
I have put this little guy back in with my main flock and he gets along with everyone there too, including their rooster. Will see what happens.

I will let you know.


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